[Vision2020] character assassination (was RE: Citing Primary Sources via Secondary Sources)

[Ted Moffett]

If I followed my impulses to play Vision2020 monitor, I'd be posting a
monitoring comment every day or two.

You are implying those engaged in this discussion don't know any better...
Like children, they must be reminded of their social blind spots,
contributing to the tragedy of the commons.

But if accomplished academic professionals like Gier, Harkins and Campbell
require your admonishment regarding their unwise indulgence on one
subject...

"Lost in a lost world," as the song goes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFFlCXS6RKs

I woke up today, I was crying,
Lost in a lost world.
So many people are dying,
Lost in a lost world.
Some of them are living an illusion,
Bounded by the darkness of their minds.
In their eyes it's nation against
nation against nation,
With racial pride.
Sad hearts they hide
Thinking only of themselves,
They shun the light,
(somehow they shun the light)
They think they're right,
(somehow they think they're right)
Living in their empty shells.

Oh, can you see their world is crashing
(so many people, so many people)
Crashing down around their feet
And angry people in the street,
Are telling them they've had their fill
(so many people)
Of politics that wound and kill
(so many people)
Grow, the seeds of evolution
(so many people, so many people)
Revolution never won
It's just another form of gun
To do again what they have done
(so many people, so many people)
With all our brothers, youngest sons.
(so many people, so many people)

Everywhere you go you'll
see them searching
Everywhere you turn you'll feel the pain
Everyone is looking for the answer
Well look again.
Come on my friend,
Love will find them in the end
Come on my friend, we've got to bend
On our knees and say a prayer.

Oh, can you feel the world is pining
(so many people, so many people)
Pining for someone who really cares
Enough to share his love,
With all of us so we can be
(so many people)
An ever loving family.
(so many people)
Oh, have you forgotten we're all children
(so many people, so many people)
Children from a family tree
That's longer than a centipede
And started long ago when you and I
(so many people, so many people)
Were only love--
(so many people, so many people)

I woke up today, I was crying,
Lost in a lost world,
So many people are dying,
Lost in a lost world.
So many people, so many people, people
Lost in a lost world
So many people, so many people, people
Lost in a lost world
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Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett

On 9/18/08, Warren Hayman <whayman at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Jeff harkens to the cry of plagiarism, Gier wants to nick the argument in
> the bud, and Campbell finds the whole thing as clear as Palouse lentil
> soup.
> Andreas no doubt schouls in frustration and for all I know mirth. Anyone
> else as tired as I am of what seems an untenable attempt at this seeming
> character assassination?
>
> So the parties involved don't seem to like each other. Okay, sad but we can
> get over it. Public utterance? Yes. Informal? Yes, quite. Look at the
> nature
> of V2020. Clear intent of theft of intellectual property? I don't think so.
> Teleology of advancing one's academic standing or career at the expense of
> someone else's words or ideas? No.
>
> This sounds like several combs fighting over a bald head. I will not bother
> to cite where I twisted that from. Can we just give it a rest?
>
> Warren Hayman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of joekc at roadrunner.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 6:18 PM
> To: Jeff Harkins
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Citing Primary Sources via Secondary Sources
>
> Jeff,
>
> Like I said before, these kinds of personal fights aren't appropriate in a
> public forum. Not that
> I haven't similarly sinned before but I have no desire to do so any longer.
> Folks don't care that
> you dislike me and shouldn't be subjected our quarrels.
>
> It is clear enough from the post that the Law School Honor Code applies to
> STUDENTS functioning
> in that capacity. Andreas is not a student. That was my first and primary
> point and I should have
> made the point more clearly and left it at that. Sorry for doing otherwise
> and for trying to make
> my point with humor.
>
> Why am I corresponding with you given what I've said in the past? Besides
> my
> more obvious
> weaknesses I simply hate bullies. You are an emeritus professor. Andreas is
> a law student. It is
> not only wrong but unconscionable for you to threaten him in the way that
> you have done in a
> public forum. You are taking advantage of your superior status to win what
> appears to be a
> political debate and although others won't say anything to you because they
> don't want to
> experience your hateful wrath, I have nothing to loose on that score, so I
> decided to step in.
>
> You are way out of bounds here. You need to stop and should issue an
> apology
> or your own
> reputation is bound to suffer. I'd be interested in seeing if there is one
> other academic who
> agrees with you. I know that there is at least one other who has taken my
> side: Nick Gier. If you
> can find another academic who thinks that your threat to Andreas is
> warranted, I'd like to know.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
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