[Vision2020] character assassination (was RE: Citing Primary Sources via Secondary Sources)

[Warren Hayman]

Hello all,

Jeff harkens to the cry of plagiarism, Gier wants to nick the argument in
the bud, and Campbell finds the whole thing as clear as Palouse lentil soup.
Andreas no doubt schouls in frustration and for all I know mirth. Anyone
else as tired as I am of what seems an untenable attempt at this seeming
character assassination?

So the parties involved don't seem to like each other. Okay, sad but we can
get over it. Public utterance? Yes. Informal? Yes, quite. Look at the nature
of V2020. Clear intent of theft of intellectual property? I don't think so.
Teleology of advancing one's academic standing or career at the expense of
someone else's words or ideas? No.

This sounds like several combs fighting over a bald head. I will not bother
to cite where I twisted that from. Can we just give it a rest?

Warren Hayman


-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of joekc at roadrunner.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 6:18 PM
To: Jeff Harkins
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Citing Primary Sources via Secondary Sources

Jeff,

Like I said before, these kinds of personal fights aren't appropriate in a
public forum. Not that
I haven't similarly sinned before but I have no desire to do so any longer.
Folks don't care that 
you dislike me and shouldn't be subjected our quarrels.

It is clear enough from the post that the Law School Honor Code applies to
STUDENTS functioning
in that capacity. Andreas is not a student. That was my first and primary
point and I should have
made the point more clearly and left it at that. Sorry for doing otherwise
and for trying to make
my point with humor.

Why am I corresponding with you given what I've said in the past? Besides my
more obvious 
weaknesses I simply hate bullies. You are an emeritus professor. Andreas is
a law student. It is
not only wrong but unconscionable for you to threaten him in the way that
you have done in a
public forum. You are taking advantage of your superior status to win what
appears to be a 
political debate and although others won't say anything to you because they
don't want to 
experience your hateful wrath, I have nothing to loose on that score, so I
decided to step in.

You are way out of bounds here. You need to stop and should issue an apology
or your own 
reputation is bound to suffer. I'd be interested in seeing if there is one
other academic who
agrees with you. I know that there is at least one other who has taken my
side: Nick Gier. If you
can find another academic who thinks that your threat to Andreas is
warranted, I'd like to know.

--
Joe Campbell