<div>If I followed my impulses to play Vision2020 monitor, I'd be posting a monitoring comment every day or two.</div>
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<div>You are implying those engaged in this discussion don't know any better... Like children, they must be reminded of their social blind spots, contributing to the tragedy of the commons.</div>
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<div>But if accomplished academic professionals like Gier, Harkins and Campbell require your admonishment regarding their unwise indulgence on one subject... </div>
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<div>"Lost in a lost world," as the song goes...</div>
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<div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFFlCXS6RKs">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFFlCXS6RKs</a></div>
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<div>I woke up today, I was crying, <br>Lost in a lost world. <br>So many people are dying, <br>Lost in a lost world. <br>Some of them are living an illusion, <br>Bounded by the darkness of their minds. <br>In their eyes it's nation against <br>
nation against nation, <br>With racial pride. <br>Sad hearts they hide <br>Thinking only of themselves, <br>They shun the light, <br>(somehow they shun the light) <br>They think they're right, <br>(somehow they think they're right) <br>
Living in their empty shells. <br><br>Oh, can you see their world is crashing <br>(so many people, so many people) <br>Crashing down around their feet <br>And angry people in the street, <br>Are telling them they've had their fill <br>
(so many people) <br>Of politics that wound and kill <br>(so many people) <br>Grow, the seeds of evolution <br>(so many people, so many people) <br>Revolution never won <br>It's just another form of gun <br>To do again what they have done <br>
(so many people, so many people) <br>With all our brothers, youngest sons. <br>(so many people, so many people) <br><br>Everywhere you go you'll <br>see them searching <br>Everywhere you turn you'll feel the pain <br>
Everyone is looking for the answer <br>Well look again. <br>Come on my friend, <br>Love will find them in the end <br>Come on my friend, we've got to bend <br>On our knees and say a prayer. <br><br>Oh, can you feel the world is pining <br>
(so many people, so many people) <br>Pining for someone who really cares <br>Enough to share his love, <br>With all of us so we can be <br>(so many people) <br>An ever loving family. <br>(so many people) <br>Oh, have you forgotten we're all children <br>
(so many people, so many people) <br>Children from a family tree <br>That's longer than a centipede <br>And started long ago when you and I <br>(so many people, so many people) <br>Were only love-- <br>(so many people, so many people) <br>
<br>I woke up today, I was crying, <br>Lost in a lost world, <br>So many people are dying, <br>Lost in a lost world. <br>So many people, so many people, people <br>Lost in a lost world <br>So many people, so many people, people <br>
Lost in a lost world <br>---------------------------</div>
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<div>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/18/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Warren Hayman</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:whayman@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">whayman@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hello all,<br><br>Jeff harkens to the cry of plagiarism, Gier wants to nick the argument in<br>the bud, and Campbell finds the whole thing as clear as Palouse lentil soup.<br>
Andreas no doubt schouls in frustration and for all I know mirth. Anyone<br>else as tired as I am of what seems an untenable attempt at this seeming<br>character assassination?<br><br>So the parties involved don't seem to like each other. Okay, sad but we can<br>
get over it. Public utterance? Yes. Informal? Yes, quite. Look at the nature<br>of V2020. Clear intent of theft of intellectual property? I don't think so.<br>Teleology of advancing one's academic standing or career at the expense of<br>
someone else's words or ideas? No.<br><br>This sounds like several combs fighting over a bald head. I will not bother<br>to cite where I twisted that from. Can we just give it a rest?<br><br>Warren Hayman<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>
On Behalf Of <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:joekc@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">joekc@roadrunner.com</a><br>Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 6:18 PM<br>To: Jeff Harkins<br>Cc: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Citing Primary Sources via Secondary Sources<br><br>Jeff,<br><br>Like I said before, these kinds of personal fights aren't appropriate in a<br>public forum. Not that<br>I haven't similarly sinned before but I have no desire to do so any longer.<br>
Folks don't care that<br>you dislike me and shouldn't be subjected our quarrels.<br><br>It is clear enough from the post that the Law School Honor Code applies to<br>STUDENTS functioning<br>in that capacity. Andreas is not a student. That was my first and primary<br>
point and I should have<br>made the point more clearly and left it at that. Sorry for doing otherwise<br>and for trying to make<br>my point with humor.<br><br>Why am I corresponding with you given what I've said in the past? Besides my<br>
more obvious<br>weaknesses I simply hate bullies. You are an emeritus professor. Andreas is<br>a law student. It is<br>not only wrong but unconscionable for you to threaten him in the way that<br>you have done in a<br>public forum. You are taking advantage of your superior status to win what<br>
appears to be a<br>political debate and although others won't say anything to you because they<br>don't want to<br>experience your hateful wrath, I have nothing to loose on that score, so I<br>decided to step in.<br>
<br>You are way out of bounds here. You need to stop and should issue an apology<br>or your own<br>reputation is bound to suffer. I'd be interested in seeing if there is one<br>other academic who<br>agrees with you. I know that there is at least one other who has taken my<br>
side: Nick Gier. If you<br>can find another academic who thinks that your threat to Andreas is<br>warranted, I'd like to know.<br><br>--<br>Joe Campbell<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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