[Vision2020] [spam] Re: Palin and library books

Fri Sep 12 11:21:39 PDT 2008

Jeff,

I see your point re. reimbursement.  I just don't agree with it.  I don't think there's any obligation to remain silent while awaiting the results of these investigations.  I would be quite surprised if any of the investigations go forward without attempts by McCain/Palin to either delay or derail or change the investigation staff.  If they succeed then there may not be any reports before the election.

I also don't necessarily believe that the reports will be the absolute truth.

Now I do think that the press plays a game of 'Gotcha' to the detriment of our political discourse, and they do this to a lot of politicians.  Witness the attempts to dig up the Obamas' senior theses.  I don't think that was particularly relevant to the election.

I think that issues that should be focused on are ignored, as you seem to as well.  I also think while our lists of relevant issues may have some overlap, we would have different topics on our respective lists.

Obviously anyone can simply delete any posts on subjects they find irrelevant.

I'm not going to comment on Tom's posting habits; for myself I try to limit myself to three posts a day, though I know I've posted more often than that from time to time.

Sunil

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:03:02 -0700
To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
From: jeffh at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [spam] Re: [Vision2020] Palin and library books
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com

No Sunil, you rather miss my point, but I do appreciate your
comments.

Hansen posts so frequently on this site that it should really be renamed
his blog.  He sends reams of links and articles to all the list
members. In effect, he has become a filter for the list.

Most of what he posts can be found in online news sites and he simply
picks and chooses that which he finds interesting.

If a list member has an issue, they can post a query to the list and all
responses are welcomed.  The folks on this list are savvy on web
searches and can usually find information to satisfy their
demands.

Those who find Hansen's posts useful and/or interesting would be better
served by a Hansen blog site - easily allowing  a quick search reflecting
Hansen's biases.  

You are missing my point on Tom's posting links to articles on Palin's
per diem claim.  There is an official inquiry going on and the
"truth" or facts will be more clear as the investigation
continues.  Posting links to supposition isn't at all helpful in
getting to the core of the matter.  For the case in point, AK
officials have already stated that her requests are within the boundaries
for reimbursable expenses.  He did not reference that line of
articles.

Also, go back and follow the threads on the book banning issue - lots of
rhetoric and supposition.

It has been my understanding that the viz was intended to be a community
forum.  It would be nice to return to that venue.

At 05:20 PM 9/9/2008, you wrote:

It's always difficult to set
standards for discourse on a list like this.  Jeff doesn't think
that Tom should post links to articles on Palin's per diem claims. 
many others might find the information helpful or interesting. 

I think Jeff made incorrect statements in his recent post on 9/11, but I
wouldn't say he shouldn't have posted his thoughts.  I would be
interested in his defense of them, but despite my personal views it's
certainly not my place to say that they were so far below the bar they
shouldn't have been posted.  I think that claims that we were
attacked because our attackers hate freedom are nonsense, and serve only
to head off discussion of the real issues at hand, but people are free to
post such stuff.  I just think they should be prepared to defend
their statements once they've been offered.

Sunil

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:07:40 -0700

To: sslund_2007 at verizon.net

From: jeffh at moscow.com

CC: vision2020 at moscow.com

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palin and library books

Of course, you have overlooked the fact that it has been reported that a
constituent (or group of constituents) had asked her what the procedure
was for challenging the book inventory.  As a proper role for an
elected official, she researched the issue (with the librarian, as I am
to understand) and informed the constituent of the procedure and protocol
for challenging the book inventory.

What is a bit murky, the librarian - reportedly a democrat - chose to use
the incident in a political move.

Perhaps we will learn more about this.

 From a cynical perspective, I do hope that the pundits, the democrats,
the liberals, the far left and others continue to attack Gov Sarah Palin
on family and personal issues.  These petty attacks on her
character, her religion, her children go a long way to raising her
visibility with the voting public.  

Even the demo candidate Sen Obama has asked for the personal attacks to
stop. That hasn't seemed to stop the tenor and vitriol of the
attacks.  Obama doesn't seem to have much control over those
elements.

Are the issues not relevant?  Maybe we could talk about Biden's 3
sector plan for Iraq.  How does Palin feel about that? Perhaps we
could explore the VPs' positions on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. 
What about education - both candidates have a record of positions on
education.

Raise the bar, please.  A recent post (by Hansen) insinuating that
Palin was inappropriately using state funds for travel and overnight
stays, and using her home for overnight reimbursement.  This kind of
penmanship terror should stop - Hansen should know better - his tactics
are an insult to our locals .  You folks are all better than this -
and smart enough to ask penetrating and relevant questions.

There are numerous articles and newsreports, fully researched, that would
reveal the "real story" about Palin's expense
reimbursements.  Cut to the chase - contact Kim Garnero, Alaska
State Finance Director, whose responsibilities include expense
reimbursement for state employees.

Thanks.

t 04:16 PM 9/7/2008, you wrote:

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While there’s no doubt that Palin discussed (a discussion she’s
subsequently labeled “rhetorical”) banning books with the City’s
librarian, the book list below canNOT be attributed to Palin.  Its
origins seems to be this:

http://www.adlerbooks.com/banned.html

The specific titles of books Palin was interested in banning is of no
interest to me; of great interest and concern to me is that banning
books was a topic in which Palin had any interest and tells me a
great deal about her.

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
to do nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through
life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [

mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of keely
emerinemix

Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:36 PM

To: vision2020 at moscow.com

Subject: [Vision2020] Palin and library books

>From Jeff's cousin -- interesting information about Sarah Palin
and her attempts to get books banned from the Wasilla, Alaska, library
when she was mayor.

Flicka????!!!!!!  Webster's Ninth Collegiate
Dictionary?????!!!!

OK, I guess "Our Bodies, Ourselves" isn't a surprise . . .

Keely

http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/

From: RGPsme at aol.com

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:38:09 -0400

Subject: (no subject)

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Let's spend a few moments browsing the list of books Mayor Sarah
Palin tried to get town librarian Mary Ellen Baker to ban in the lovely,
all-American town of Wasilla, Alaska.  When Baker refused to remove
the books from the shelves, Palin threatened to fire her.  The story
was reported in Time Magazine and the list comes from the librarian.net
website.

I'm sure you'll find your own personal favorites among the classics
Palin wanted to protect the good people of Wasilla from, but the ones
that jumped out at me were the four Stephen King novels (way to go
Stephen, John Steinbeck only got three titles on the list), that
notorious piece of communist pornography "My Friend
Flicka,"  the usual assortment of Harry Potter books, works by
Shakespeare, Walt Whitman, Kurt Vonnegut, Mark Twain (always fun to see
those two names together), Arthur Miller, and Aristophanes, as well as
"Our Bodies, Ourselves" (insert your own Bristol Palin joke
here), and the infamous one-two punch of depravity:  "To Kill a
Mockingbird" and "Little Red Riding Hood."  But the
cherry on the sundae, the topper, is Sarah Palin's passionate, religious
mission to clear the shelves of the Wasilia Public Library of that
ultimate evil tome:  "Webster's Ninth New Collegiate
Dictionary."  That's the one with " equality,"
"free speech" and "justice " in it.

Go over to your book case and take down one of the books you'll find
on the list (I know you've got a couple) and give it a read in honor of
the founding fathers.  Then tell me I'm not the only voter who
doesn't want this woman within thirty feet of the United States
Constitution. 

 Sarah Palin's Book Club

A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess

A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle

Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden

As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner

Blubber by Judy Blume

Brave New World by Aldous Huxley

Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson

Canterbury Tales by Chaucer

Carrie by Stephen King

Catch-22 by Joseph Heller

Christine by Stephen King

Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau

Cujo by Stephen King

Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen

Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite

Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck

Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller

Decameron by Boccaccio

East of Eden by John Steinbeck

Fallen Angels by Walter Myers

Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland

Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes

Forever by Judy Blume

Grendel by John Champlin Gardner

Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling

Harry Potter20and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling

Have to G o by Robert Munsch

Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman

How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell

Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain

I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou

Impressions edited by Jack Booth

In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak

It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein

James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl

Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence

Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman

Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm

Lord of the Flies by William Golding

Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein

Lysistrata by Aristophanes

More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz

My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher
Collier

My House by Nikki Giovanni

M y Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara

Night Chills by Dean Koontz

Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck

On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer

One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn

One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey

One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez

Ordinary People by Judith Guest

Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective

Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy

Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl

Scary Stories 3: More Tales to=2 0Chill Your Bones by Alvin
Schwartz

Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz

Separate Peace by John Knowles

Silas Marner by George Eliot

Slaughte rhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.< br> Tarzan of the
Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain

The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain

The Bastard by John Jakes

The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger

The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier

The Color Purple by Alice Walker

The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth

The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs

The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck

The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson

The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood

The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder

The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks

The Living Bible by William C. Bower

The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare

The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman

The Pigman by Paul Zindel

The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders

The Shining by Stephen King

The Witches by Roald Dahl

The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder

Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume

To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee

Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare

Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary--Merriam-Webster Editorial
Staff

Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween
Symbols by Edna Barth

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