[Vision2020] [spam] Re: Palin and library books

[Jeff Harkins]

No Sunil, you rather miss my point, but I do appreciate your comments.

Hansen posts so frequently on this site that it should really be 
renamed his blog.  He sends reams of links and articles to all the 
list members. In effect, he has become a filter for the list.

Most of what he posts can be found in online news sites and he simply 
picks and chooses that which he finds interesting.

If a list member has an issue, they can post a query to the list and 
all responses are welcomed.  The folks on this list are savvy on web 
searches and can usually find information to satisfy their demands.

Those who find Hansen's posts useful and/or interesting would be 
better served by a Hansen blog site - easily allowing a quick search 
reflecting Hansen's biases.

You are missing my point on Tom's posting links to articles on 
Palin's per diem claim.  There is an official inquiry going on and 
the "truth" or facts will be more clear as the investigation 
continues.  Posting links to supposition isn't at all helpful in 
getting to the core of the matter.  For the case in point, AK 
officials have already stated that her requests are within the 
boundaries for reimbursable expenses.  He did not reference that line 
of articles.

Also, go back and follow the threads on the book banning issue - lots 
of rhetoric and supposition.

It has been my understanding that the viz was intended to be a 
community forum.  It would be nice to return to that venue.



At 05:20 PM 9/9/2008, you wrote:
>It's always difficult to set standards for discourse on a list like 
>this.  Jeff doesn't think that Tom should post links to articles on 
>Palin's per diem claims.  many others might find the information 
>helpful or interesting.
>
>I think Jeff made incorrect statements in his recent post on 9/11, 
>but I wouldn't say he shouldn't have posted his thoughts.  I would 
>be interested in his defense of them, but despite my personal views 
>it's certainly not my place to say that they were so far below the 
>bar they shouldn't have been posted.  I think that claims that we 
>were attacked because our attackers hate freedom are nonsense, and 
>serve only to head off discussion of the real issues at hand, but 
>people are free to post such stuff.  I just think they should be 
>prepared to defend their statements once they've been offered.
>
>Sunil
>
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>Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:07:40 -0700
>To: sslund_2007 at verizon.net
>From: jeffh at moscow.com
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palin and library books
>
>Of course, you have overlooked the fact that it has been reported 
>that a constituent (or group of constituents) had asked her what the 
>procedure was for challenging the book inventory.  As a proper role 
>for an elected official, she researched the issue (with the 
>librarian, as I am to understand) and informed the constituent of 
>the procedure and protocol for challenging the book inventory.
>
>What is a bit murky, the librarian - reportedly a democrat - chose 
>to use the incident in a political move.
>
>Perhaps we will learn more about this.
>
> From a cynical perspective, I do hope that the pundits, the 
> democrats, the liberals, the far left and others continue to attack 
> Gov Sarah Palin on family and personal issues.  These petty attacks 
> on her character, her religion, her children go a long way to 
> raising her visibility with the voting public.
>
>Even the demo candidate Sen Obama has asked for the personal attacks 
>to stop. That hasn't seemed to stop the tenor and vitriol of the 
>attacks.  Obama doesn't seem to have much control over those elements.
>
>Are the issues not relevant?  Maybe we could talk about Biden's 3 
>sector plan for Iraq.  How does Palin feel about that? Perhaps we 
>could explore the VPs' positions on Fannie Mae and Freddie 
>Mac.  What about education - both candidates have a record of 
>positions on education.
>
>Raise the bar, please.  A recent post (by Hansen) insinuating that 
>Palin was inappropriately using state funds for travel and overnight 
>stays, and using her home for overnight reimbursement.  This kind of 
>penmanship terror should stop - Hansen should know better - his 
>tactics are an insult to our locals .  You folks are all better than 
>this - and smart enough to ask penetrating and relevant questions.
>
>There are numerous articles and newsreports, fully researched, that 
>would reveal the "real story" about Palin's expense 
>reimbursements.  Cut to the chase - contact Kim Garnero, Alaska 
>State Finance Director, whose responsibilities include expense 
>reimbursement for state employees.
>
>Thanks.
>
>t 04:16 PM 9/7/2008, you wrote:
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>While there's no doubt that Palin discussed (a discussion she's 
>subsequently labeled "rhetorical") banning books with the City's 
>librarian, the book list below canNOT be attributed to Palin.  Its 
>origins seems to be this:
><http://www.adlerbooks.com/banned.html>http://www.adlerbooks.com/banned.html
>
>The specific titles of books Palin was interested in banning is of 
>no interest to me; of great interest and concern to me is that 
>banning books was a topic in which Palin had any interest and tells 
>me a great deal about her.
>
>
>Saundra Lund
>Moscow, ID
>
>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people 
>to do nothing.
>~ Edmund Burke
>
>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through 
>life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or 
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>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [ 
>mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of keely emerinemix
>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:36 PM
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Palin and library books
>
>
> >From Jeff's cousin -- interesting information about Sarah Palin 
> and her attempts to get books banned from the Wasilla, Alaska, 
> library when she was mayor.
>
>Flicka????!!!!!!  Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary?????!!!!
>
>OK, I guess "Our Bodies, Ourselves" isn't a surprise . . .
>
>
>Keely
><http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/>http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/
>
>
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>From: RGPsme at aol.com
>Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:38:09 -0400
>Subject: (no subject)
>To: r.clearwater.arch at comcast.net; cleedesign at yahoo.com; 
>samscat99 at netscape.net; betterthanchocolate at hotmail.com; 
>kjajmix1 at email.msn.com; johnmetc at verizon.net; pnixon18 at hotmail.com; 
>rstockwell at applied-e-s.com; maryginger at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>Let's spend a few moments browsing the list of books Mayor Sarah 
>Palin tried to get town librarian Mary Ellen Baker to ban in the 
>lovely, all-American town of Wasilla, Alaska.  When Baker refused to 
>remove the books from the shelves, Palin threatened to fire 
>her.  The story was reported in Time Magazine and the list comes 
>from the librarian.net website.
>
>I'm sure you'll find your own personal favorites among the classics 
>Palin wanted to protect the good people of Wasilla from, but the 
>ones that jumped out at me were the four Stephen King novels (way to 
>go Stephen, John Steinbeck only got three titles on the list), that 
>notorious piece of communist pornography "My Friend Flicka,"  the 
>usual assortment of Harry Potter books, works by Shakespeare, Walt 
>Whitman, Kurt Vonnegut, Mark Twain (always fun to see those two 
>names together), Arthur Miller, and Aristophanes, as well as "Our 
>Bodies, Ourselves" (insert your own Bristol Palin joke here), and 
>the infamous one-two punch of depravity:  "To Kill a Mockingbird" 
>and "Little Red Riding Hood."  But the cherry on the sundae, the 
>topper, is Sarah Palin's passionate, religious mission to clear the 
>shelves of the Wasilia Public Library of that ultimate evil 
>tome:  "Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary."  That's the one 
>with " equality," "free speech" and "justice " in it.
>
>Go over to your book case and take down one of the books you'll find 
>on the list (I know you've got a couple) and give it a read in honor 
>of the founding fathers.  Then tell me I'm not the only voter who 
>doesn't want this woman within thirty feet of the United States Constitution.
>
>  Sarah Palin's Book Club
>
>A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>Blubber by Judy Blume
>Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
>Carrie by Stephen King
>Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>Christine by Stephen King
>Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>Cujo by Stephen King
>Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>Decameron by Boccaccio
>East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
>Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>Forever by Judy Blume
>Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>Harry Potter20and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>Have to G o by Robert Munsch
>Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
>My House by Nikki Giovanni
>M y Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
>One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective
>Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>Scary Stories 3: More Tales to=2 0Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
>Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>Separate Peace by John Knowles
>Silas Marner by George Eliot
>Slaughte rhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.< br> Tarzan of the Apes 
>by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>The Bastard by John Jakes
>The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
>The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>The Shining by Stephen King
>The Witches by Roald Dahl
>The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary--Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
>Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween 
>Symbols by Edna Barth
>
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