[Vision2020] FW: 9/11

[Andreas Schou]

FEMA didn't have a particularly good theory about Building 7; they
argued that it collapsed because of the fire -- something which has
never been known to happen before. Of course, they also ignored the
ten-story gash in the building's south side that occurred when debris
from the north tower hit WTC 7.

NIST's later study found that the gash on the south side, plus the
loss of columns underlying the east penthouse, caused a cascade of
collapsing floors that quickly brought the whole building down.

You can see a powerpoint of their findings here:

-- ACS

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:15 AM, bill bonte <bbonte at moscow.com> wrote:
> And of course the perennial question:  Why did building 7 collapse?
> On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:23 PM, Levi Cavener wrote:
>
> The movie zeitgeist (part 1) has done a pretty good job summing up the 9/11
> conspiracy theories.  The movie is for free
> athttp://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ - I don't know if I'm convinced of a total
> government conspiracy but there is some pretty compelling evidence such as
> the fact that some of the supposed hijackers were never even on the
> airplanes and are, in fact, still alive today.  One of the supposed
> hijacker's (Satam Al Suqami) passport apparently defied the laws and physics
> and somehow escaped burning when the airplane hit the WTO, again escaped the
> WTO collapsing, and somehow fell nice and pretty on the street below for a
> FBI officer to find - all this when it turns out that Satam is apparently
> alive and well - one of many members of the supposed 911 hijacking who never
> were in the airplanes to begin with
> (http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/passport.html andhttp://www.welfarestate.com/911/)
> I think there is some compelling evidence out there that severely
> contradicts the 9/11 commission report even if it doesn't mean a total
> government conspiracy.
>
> ~Esto Perpetua
>
> Levi Cavener
>
>
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>> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:59:02 -0700
>> From: ophite at gmail.com
>> To: jeffh at moscow.com
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 9/11
>>
>> > Throw out the barb - then duck the issue.
>> > Here is a Wikipedia link to 911 conspiracy theories. You might find it
>> > informative.
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
>> >
>> >> > It is modern history and yet, already we have groups within our
>> >> > borders
>> >> > which attempt to persuade us that 911 was a government conspiracy. '
>> >>
>> >> Don't look at me. Look across the water in Minneapolis, at the Ron
>> >> Paul paraconvention.
>> >
>> > Same old name calling - an example of your basic human decency?
>>
>> Jeff --
>>
>> I was unaware that the majority of Americans needed to be reminded
>> that al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11, or that those people would be
>> impressed by a video displayed at the Republican National Convention
>> during a presidential candidate's speech. There are Americans that
>> deny the Holocaust. There are Americans deny that we landed on the
>> moon.
>>
>> Those people weren't at the Democratic convention.
>>
>> Or, well, they were. But they were throwing bricks at us. Same guys
>> showed up in St. Paul this year, too, plus the Paulites.
>>
>> >> > And the notion that political parties should not utilize video to
>> >> > engage
>> >> > Americans
>> >> > in a reminder of the event is naive at best.
>> >>
>> >> The notion that a political party should not use a great American
>> >> tragedy as a political cudgel is basic human decency, a concept about
>> >> which your Torture Party seems to have entirely forgotten.
>> >> Unfortunately, after the last six years, it appears to be naive to
>> >> expect them not to.
>> >
>> > Oh, I was on the record for each of those things ... where were you?
>> >
>> >> > And your hypocrisy is so blatant - your "world view" is so skewed.
>> >> > Where is
>> >> > your "outrage" at the bilge spewed by Michael Moore. Why have you not
>> >> > condemned MoveOn.org for their endorsement of his film during the
>> >> > 2004
>> >> > presidential campaign.
>> >>
>> >> Not this again. Here, let me give the 'condemn this!' game a try. Why
>> >> haven't I ever heard you condemn the Watergate break-in? Isn't it a
>> >> little suspicious that you've never said anything negative about the
>> >> Holocaust? Where's your outrage at Swift Boat Veterans for Truth?
>> >>
>> >> Now, Jeff, why aren't you on the record saying anything bad about any
>> >> of these things? Hint: it wasn't the topic of our conversation*.
>> >
>> > Given your feelings about the opening video for the RNC, it would
>> > perhaps
>> > enlightening for you to view the Fahrenheit 911 movie and its role in
>> > the
>> > 2004 elections.
>> >
>> > And if you are not a member of MoveOn.org, are you aware of it and its
>> > role
>> > in advancing the candidacy of Barack Obama?
>>
>> Sure. Great. Are you aware of G. Gordon Liddy and his role in
>> advancing the candidacy of John McCain? How about the role of Sun
>> Myung Moon? Or, hell, Jack Abramoff? Doug Coe? Luis Posada? John
>> Poindexter? The American Issues Project? There is a broad miscellany
>> of cult leaders, smear artists, traitors, terrorists, and felons
>> supporting the Republican party this year. As there is every year.
>>
>> You might notice that this list is composed of supporters whom McCain
>> hasn't taken the time to condemn. This is, of course, because the
>> country is divided roughly in half, and the parties representing each
>> half pretty much divide the assholes between them. I'm not going to
>> speak for the whole party (here's a name: Wen Ho Lee), but Obama has,
>> for instance, cut off personal access to major donors to MoveOn. Has
>> McCain done something similar for (let's say) the American Issues
>> Project*?
>>
>> -- ACS
>>
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