[Vision2020] FW: 9/11

Sat Sep 6 08:15:52 PDT 2008

And of course the perennial question:  Why did building 7 collapse?

On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:23 PM, Levi Cavener wrote:

>
> The movie zeitgeist (part 1) has done a pretty good job summing up  
> the 9/11 conspiracy theories.  The movie is for free athttp://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ 
>  - I don't know if I'm convinced of a total government conspiracy  
> but there is some pretty compelling evidence such as the fact that  
> some of the supposed hijackers were never even on the airplanes and  
> are, in fact, still alive today.  One of the supposed hijacker's  
> (Satam Al Suqami) passport apparently defied the laws and physics  
> and somehow escaped burning when the airplane hit the WTO, again  
> escaped the WTO collapsing, and somehow fell nice and pretty on the  
> street below for a FBI officer to find - all this when it turns out  
> that Satam is apparently alive and well - one of many members of the  
> supposed 911 hijacking who never were in the airplanes to begin with  
> (http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/passport.html andhttp://www.welfarestate.com/911/) 
>   I think there is some compelling evidence out there that severely  
> contradicts the 9/11 commission report even if it doesn't mean a  
> total government conspiracy.
>
> ~Esto Perpetua
>
> Levi Cavener
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:59:02 -0700
> > From: ophite at gmail.com
> > To: jeffh at moscow.com
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 9/11
> >
> > > Throw out the barb - then duck the issue.
> > > Here is a Wikipedia link to 911 conspiracy theories. You might  
> find it
> > > informative.
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
> > >
> > >> > It is modern history and yet, already we have groups within  
> our borders
> > >> > which attempt to persuade us that 911 was a government  
> conspiracy. '
> > >>
> > >> Don't look at me. Look across the water in Minneapolis, at the  
> Ron
> > >> Paul paraconvention.
> > >
> > > Same old name calling - an example of your basic human decency?
> >
> > Jeff --
> >
> > I was unaware that the majority of Americans needed to be reminded
> > that al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11, or that those people would  
> be
> > impressed by a video displayed at the Republican National Convention
> > during a presidential candidate's speech. There are Americans that
> > deny the Holocaust. There are Americans deny that we landed on the
> > moon.
> >
> > Those people weren't at the Democratic convention.
> >
> > Or, well, they were. But they were throwing bricks at us. Same guys
> > showed up in St. Paul this year, too, plus the Paulites.
> >
> > >> > And the notion that political parties should not utilize  
> video to engage
> > >> > Americans
> > >> > in a reminder of the event is naive at best.
> > >>
> > >> The notion that a political party should not use a great American
> > >> tragedy as a political cudgel is basic human decency, a concept  
> about
> > >> which your Torture Party seems to have entirely forgotten.
> > >> Unfortunately, after the last six years, it appears to be naive  
> to
> > >> expect them not to.
> > >
> > > Oh, I was on the record for each of those things ... where were  
> you?
> > >
> > >> > And your hypocrisy is so blatant - your "world view" is so  
> skewed.
> > >> > Where is
> > >> > your "outrage" at the bilge spewed by Michael Moore. Why have  
> you not
> > >> > condemned MoveOn.org for their endorsement of his film during  
> the 2004
> > >> > presidential campaign.
> > >>
> > >> Not this again. Here, let me give the 'condemn this!' game a  
> try. Why
> > >> haven't I ever heard you condemn the Watergate break-in? Isn't  
> it a
> > >> little suspicious that you've never said anything negative  
> about the
> > >> Holocaust? Where's your outrage at Swift Boat Veterans for Truth?
> > >>
> > >> Now, Jeff, why aren't you on the record saying anything bad  
> about any
> > >> of these things? Hint: it wasn't the topic of our conversation*.
> > >
> > > Given your feelings about the opening video for the RNC, it  
> would perhaps
> > > enlightening for you to view the Fahrenheit 911 movie and its  
> role in the
> > > 2004 elections.
> > >
> > > And if you are not a member of MoveOn.org, are you aware of it  
> and its role
> > > in advancing the candidacy of Barack Obama?
> >
> > Sure. Great. Are you aware of G. Gordon Liddy and his role in
> > advancing the candidacy of John McCain? How about the role of Sun
> > Myung Moon? Or, hell, Jack Abramoff? Doug Coe? Luis Posada? John
> > Poindexter? The American Issues Project? There is a broad miscellany
> > of cult leaders, smear artists, traitors, terrorists, and felons
> > supporting the Republican party this year. As there is every year.
> >
> > You might notice that this list is composed of supporters whom  
> McCain
> > hasn't taken the time to condemn. This is, of course, because the
> > country is divided roughly in half, and the parties representing  
> each
> > half pretty much divide the assholes between them. I'm not going to
> > speak for the whole party (here's a name: Wen Ho Lee), but Obama  
> has,
> > for instance, cut off personal access to major donors to MoveOn. Has
> > McCain done something similar for (let's say) the American Issues
> > Project*?
> >
> > -- ACS
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