[Vision2020] FW: 9/11

Fri Sep 5 22:48:18 PDT 2008

Levi --

I think you, along with all other 9/11 truthers, are crazy.

The best false-flag operation the government could come up with
required crashing two planes into the World Trade Center *and* blowing
them up, rather than just planting explosives, as would be reasonable?

-- ACS

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Levi Cavener
<lcavener at vandals.uidaho.edu> wrote:
>
> The movie zeitgeist (part 1) has done a pretty good job summing up the 9/11
> conspiracy theories.  The movie is for free at
> http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ - I don't know if I'm convinced of a total
> government conspiracy but there is some pretty compelling evidence such as
> the fact that some of the supposed hijackers were never even on the
> airplanes and are, in fact, still alive today.  One of the supposed
> hijacker's (Satam Al Suqami) passport apparently defied the laws and physics
> and somehow escaped burning when the airplane hit the WTO, again escaped the
> WTO collapsing, and somehow fell nice and pretty on the street below for a
> FBI officer to find - all this when it turns out that Satam is apparently
> alive and well - one of many members of the supposed 911 hijacking who never
> were in the airplanes to begin with
> (http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/passport.html and
> http://www.welfarestate.com/911/)  I think there is some compelling evidence
> out there that severely contradicts the 9/11 commission report even if it
> doesn't mean a total government conspiracy.
>
> ~Esto Perpetua
>
> Levi Cavener
>
>
> ________________________________
>> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:59:02 -0700
>> From: ophite at gmail.com
>> To: jeffh at moscow.com
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 9/11
>>
>> > Throw out the barb - then duck the issue.
>> > Here is a Wikipedia link to 911 conspiracy theories. You might find it
>> > informative.
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
>> >
>> >> > It is modern history and yet, already we have groups within our
>> >> > borders
>> >> > which attempt to persuade us that 911 was a government conspiracy. '
>> >>
>> >> Don't look at me. Look across the water in Minneapolis, at the Ron
>> >> Paul paraconvention.
>> >
>> > Same old name calling - an example of your basic human decency?
>>
>> Jeff --
>>
>> I was unaware that the majority of Americans needed to be reminded
>> that al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11, or that those people would be
>> impressed by a video displayed at the Republican National Convention
>> during a presidential candidate's speech. There are Americans that
>> deny the Holocaust. There are Americans deny that we landed on the
>> moon.
>>
>> Those people weren't at the Democratic convention.
>>
>> Or, well, they were. But they were throwing bricks at us. Same guys
>> showed up in St. Paul this year, too, plus the Paulites.
>>
>> >> > And the notion that political parties should not utilize video to
>> >> > engage
>> >> > Americans
>> >> > in a reminder of the event is naive at best.
>> >>
>> >> The notion that a political party should not use a great American
>> >> tragedy as a political cudgel is basic human decency, a concept about
>> >> which your Torture Party seems to have entirely forgotten.
>> >> Unfortunately, after the last six years, it appears to be naive to
>> >> expect them not to.
>> >
>> > Oh, I was on the record for each of those things ... where were you?
>> >
>> >> > And your hypocrisy is so blatant - your "world view" is so skewed.
>> >> > Where is
>> >> > your "outrage" at the bilge spewed by Michael Moore. Why have you not
>> >> > condemned MoveOn.org for their endorsement of his film during the
>> >> > 2004
>> >> > presidential campaign.
>> >>
>> >> Not this again. Here, let me give the 'condemn this!' game a try. Why
>> >> haven't I ever heard you condemn the Watergate break-in? Isn't it a
>> >> little suspicious that you've never said anything negative about the
>> >> Holocaust? Where's your outrage at Swift Boat Veterans for Truth?
>> >>
>> >> Now, Jeff, why aren't you on the record saying anything bad about any
>> >> of these things? Hint: it wasn't the topic of our conversation*.
>> >
>> > Given your feelings about the opening video for the RNC, it would
>> > perhaps
>> > enlightening for you to view the Fahrenheit 911 movie and its role in
>> > the
>> > 2004 elections.
>> >
>> > And if you are not a member of MoveOn.org, are you aware of it and its
>> > role
>> > in advancing the candidacy of Barack Obama?
>>
>> Sure. Great. Are you aware of G. Gordon Liddy and his role in
>> advancing the candidacy of John McCain? How about the role of Sun
>> Myung Moon? Or, hell, Jack Abramoff? Doug Coe? Luis Posada? John
>> Poindexter? The American Issues Project? There is a broad miscellany
>> of cult leaders, smear artists, traitors, terrorists, and felons
>> supporting the Republican party this year. As there is every year.
>>
>> You might notice that this list is composed of supporters whom McCain
>> hasn't taken the time to condemn. This is, of course, because the
>> country is divided roughly in half, and the parties representing each
>> half pretty much divide the assholes between them. I'm not going to
>> speak for the whole party (here's a name: Wen Ho Lee), but Obama has,
>> for instance, cut off personal access to major donors to MoveOn. Has
>> McCain done something similar for (let's say) the American Issues
>> Project*?
>>
>> -- ACS
>>
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