[Vision2020] God supports Obama

Tue Sep 2 05:25:34 PDT 2008

Since when does an unsupported assertion on your part equal a "meaningful" and factual reality? If you can't point to something concrete to back up your accusations perhaps it would be smarter to search for a better example of the  point you were flailing about to make. Also, you neglected to address what it is that would have made your purported "sign" an example of hate and not the jolly little jape it would have been had it been created by a member of your posse.

The fact that you no longer look forward to my posts cuts me to the quick but I am forced to ask, how is what I write significantly different from what you write? It seems that the post to which I'm responding has a full measure of insult, ridicule, and disrespect. Could it be that, like the sense of humor thing, its all relative to the side of the fence it originates on? From me it's "rude and disrespectful" but from you it's meaningful dialog and reasoned discussion? I guess there really is no standard like a double standard.

Long live the queen,
g
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Saundra Lund 
  To: 'g. crabtree' ; 'v2020' 
  Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:33 PM
  Subject: RE: [Vision2020] God supports Obama

  The fact is the sign not only existed but was also crowed about by some GMA members and other "conservatives" in the community, whether you like it or not.  And, whether you like it or not, the GMA people/person behind the sign are a great example of the point I made in my email.

  I know it must be very distressing for you to have to live in the Real World where facts are meaningful, so you go right ahead and keep living in your fantasy World According to Crabtree.  You remind me of a little boy who screws his eyes shut, sticks his fingers in his ears, and shouts  "LA LA LA LA" at the top of his lungs when confronted with a reality you don't like.

  And, quite frankly, that's why I don't care to discuss things with you.  Your mind is more than closed and you don't care to discuss things - you just want to ridicule, insult, and disrespect those who don't agree with you rather than engage in meaningful discussion.  I remember when you first appeared on V2020:  I was looking forward to your participation and to exchanging thoughts and ideas.  Unfortunately, it didn't take long for your true colors to show.

  All of that is a long way from where this started:  Dan Carscallen resorted to stereotyping Moscow's progressives when one of them did something he personally found offensive, and he came out swinging.  It's too bad he doesn't direct the same kind of ire towards behavior of his associates that's offensive to the other sides of the aisle, as I rightly pointed out.  Had I don't something like what Carscallen did, you would have been all over me in a New York minute:  you know it, I know it, and so does everyone who's read your diatribes here.

  So, you go right ahead and keep your undies in a wad about what those who disagree with you say/write/do while continuing to bury your head in the sand to the less-than-neighborly behavior of those with whom you identify.  Be as rude and disrespectful as you like to those with whom you disagree because you seem to thrive on being divisive rather than constructive.  You are nothing if not the King of the Double Standard.  You must be so proud.

  And, please keep responding in type - it's so predictable and provides high entertainment value!

  Saundra Lund

  Moscow, ID

  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.

  ~ Edmund Burke

  ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the author.*****

  From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com] 
  Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:49 PM
  To: Saundra Lund; 'v2020'
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] God supports Obama

  So that's it? A sign you "heard" about? That covers your silly claim of "hatemongering, divisiveness, and name calling" that you claim you hear from "Moscow's conservatives? Assuming that such a sign actually existed, how many people do you think it might have been required to create it? I'm guessing it would have been one. If your sign existed at all, how come it doesn't fall into the same category as Bill's little rib tickler? I know, I know. Conservative evil, progressive saintly. I think I'm going to be ill.

  Also the quaint notion that I should have to do "homework" to bare out your preposterous contentions is amusing to say the least. If you are going to make a bold claim, back it up. Expecting me to research you petulant claim is asking more of my time than your petty assertion is worth. Sorry.

  You are correct in one respect. (finally, stopped clock syndrome i'm guessing) I am not a member of any "in crowd." As has been famously and frequently repeated in the past, any club that would admit the likes of me is a club I want no part of. Unlike liberalism, being  conservative isn't about proving to your friends how cool and "with it" you are.

  Ta,

  g  

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Saundra Lund 

    To: 'g. crabtree' ; 'v2020' 

    Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:30 PM

    Subject: RE: [Vision2020] God supports Obama

    You can play dumb all you want, but I'm not buying it.  Either you're being disingenuous or you're simply not a member of the "in" "conservative" crowd.

    If your ignorance is genuine, why don't you ask your pals about the sign that was on Susan Wilson's (GMA co-secretary) door the morning after the election.  Some "conservative" community members found it hilarious, and a photo was passed around, complete with spelling errors.  It was quite the talk amongst some GMA members - even I heard about it from  a couple of GMA members who didn't think it funny and thought it typical of the divisiveness some of their "crowd" took pride in and just plain bad sportsmanship.   I can't help it if you were left out of the "fun."

    So, there's just one example for you.  In the future, do your own homework because I'm not inclined to do it for you again.

    Saundra Lund

    Moscow, ID

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.

    ~ Edmund Burke

    ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the author.*****

    From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com] 
    Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:52 PM
    To: Saundra Lund; 'Dan Carscallen'; 'v2020'
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] God supports Obama

    I'm curious what it is you are talking about.

    "Perhaps every time I see a conservative on the street - or in City Hall -- I should ask if all Moscow's "conservatives" agree with the hatemongering & divisiveness & name calling - including that which took place the day after our last city election - I hear from Moscow's "conservatives.""

    I seem to recall most of Moscow's conservative element being moderately pleased with the out come of our last city election and recall no hatemongering, divisiveness, or name calling on the day after. At least not from our side. Perhaps you're recalling the buzz going round in the coffeeklatch's where the incumbents were trying to shorten their faces and regaling the faithful with mournful tales of what might have been? 

    g
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