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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Since when does an unsupported assertion on your
part equal a "meaningful" and factual reality? If you can't point to something
concrete to back up your accusations perhaps it would be smarter to search for a
better example of the point you were flailing about to make.
Also, you neglected to address what it is that would have made your purported
"sign" an example of hate and not the jolly little jape it would have been had
it been created by a member of your posse.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The fact that you no longer look forward to my
posts cuts me to the quick but I am forced to ask, how is what I write
significantly different from what you write? It seems that the post to which I'm
responding has a full measure of insult, ridicule, and disrespect. Could it be
that, like the sense of humor thing, its all relative to the side of the fence
it originates on? From me it's "rude and disrespectful" but from you it's
meaningful dialog and reasoned discussion? I guess there really is no
standard like a double standard.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Long live the queen,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sslund_2007@verizon.net href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra
Lund</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">'g. crabtree'</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'v2020'</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 01, 2008 9:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] God supports
Obama</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The fact is the
sign not only existed but was also crowed about by some GMA members and other
“conservatives” in the community, whether you like it or not. And,
whether you like it or not, the GMA people/person behind the sign are a great
example of the point I made in my email.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I know it must be
very distressing for you to have to live in the Real World where facts are
meaningful, so you go right ahead and keep living in your fantasy World
According to Crabtree. You remind me of a little boy who screws his eyes
shut, sticks his fingers in his ears, and shouts “LA LA LA LA” at the
top of his lungs when confronted with a reality you don’t
like.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">And, quite
frankly, that’s why I don’t care to discuss things with you. Your mind
is more than closed and you don’t care to <B>discuss</B> things – you just
want to ridicule, insult, and disrespect those who don’t agree with you rather
than engage in meaningful discussion. I remember when you first appeared
on V2020: I was looking forward to your participation and to exchanging
thoughts and ideas. Unfortunately, it didn’t take long for your true
colors to show.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">All of that is a
long way from where this started: Dan Carscallen resorted to
stereotyping Moscow’s progressives when one of them did something he
personally found offensive, and he came out swinging. It’s too bad he
doesn’t direct the same kind of ire towards behavior of his associates that’s
offensive to the other sides of the aisle, as I rightly pointed out. Had
I don’t something like what Carscallen did, you would have been all over me in
a New York minute: you know it, I know it, and so does everyone who’s
read your diatribes here.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So, you go right
ahead and keep your undies in a wad about what those who disagree with you
say/write/do while continuing to bury your head in the sand to the
less-than-neighborly behavior of those with whom you identify. Be as
rude and disrespectful as you like to those with whom you disagree because you
seem to thrive on being divisive rather than constructive. You are
nothing if not the King of the Double Standard. You must be so
proud.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">And, please keep
responding in type – it’s so predictable and provides high entertainment
value!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra
Lund<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow,
ID<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~
Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus 70
years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> g. crabtree
[mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 01, 2008
7:49 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Saundra Lund; 'v2020'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Vision2020] God supports Obama<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">So that's it? A
sign you "heard" about? That covers your silly claim of "hatemongering,
divisiveness, and name calling" that you claim you hear from "Moscow's
conservatives? Assuming that such a sign actually existed, how many
people do you think it might have been required to create it? I'm guessing it
would have been one. If your sign existed at all, how come it doesn't fall
into the same category as Bill's little rib tickler? I know, I know.
Conservative evil, progressive saintly. I think I'm going to be
ill.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Also the quaint
notion that I should have to do "homework" to bare out your preposterous
contentions is amusing to say the least. If you are going to make a bold
claim, back it up. Expecting me to research you petulant claim is asking
more of my time than your petty assertion is worth.
Sorry.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">You are correct in
one respect. (finally, stopped clock syndrome i'm guessing) I am not a member
of any "in crowd." As has been famously and frequently repeated in the
past, any club that would admit the likes of me is a club I want no part
of. Unlike liberalism, being conservative isn't about proving
to your friends how cool and "with it" you are.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Ta,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">g</SPAN> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=sslund_2007@verizon.net href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra
Lund</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">'g.
crabtree'</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'v2020'</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Monday,
September 01, 2008 6:30 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> RE: [Vision2020]
God supports Obama<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">You can play
dumb all you want, but I’m not buying it. Either you’re being
disingenuous or you’re simply not a member of the “in” “conservative”
crowd.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If your
ignorance is genuine, why don’t you ask your pals about the sign that was on
Susan Wilson’s (GMA co-secretary) door the morning after the election.
Some “conservative” community members found it hilarious, and a photo was
passed around, complete with spelling errors. It was quite the talk
amongst some GMA members – even <B>I </B>heard about it from a couple
of GMA members who didn’t think it funny and thought it typical of the
divisiveness some of their “crowd” took pride in and just plain bad
sportsmanship. I can’t help it if you were left out of the
“fun.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So, there’s just
one example for you. In the future, do your own homework because I’m
not inclined to do it for you again.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra
Lund<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow,
ID<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~
Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus 70
years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> g. crabtree
[mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 01, 2008
5:52 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Saundra Lund; 'Dan Carscallen';
'v2020'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] God supports
Obama<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I'm curious
what it is you are talking about.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">"Perhaps every
time I see a conservative on the street – or in City Hall -- I should ask if
all Moscow’s “conservatives” agree with the hatemongering & divisiveness
& name calling – including that which took place the day after our last
city election – I hear from Moscow’s
“conservatives.”"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I seem to recall
most of Moscow's conservative element being moderately pleased with the
out come of our last city election and recall no hatemongering,
divisiveness, or name calling on the day after. At least not from our side.
Perhaps you're recalling the buzz going round in the coffeeklatch's where
the incumbents were trying to shorten their faces and regaling the faithful
with mournful tales of what might have been?
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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