[Vision2020] A Plea to Visionaires

[lfalen]

I have not taken a stand one way or the other on so called trols, except to point out that those who post on the left are usually not objected to. I will only say that people from either side have the freedom to post however they see fit. I do object when they are not civil. This goes for everyone regardless of their political persuasion. I sometime agree with your viewpoint, but I think I have taken more exception to those I usually agree with than you have.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Saundra Lund" sslund_2007 at verizon.net
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:36:58 -0700
To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, 	vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] A Plea to Visionaires

> Roger,
> 
> I think you're completely wrong on this.  I think what Tom and many, many,
> many other forum members really object to is the ***quantity*** of the
> troll's posts.  The anonymous coward made it clear from the beginning that
> he wasn't interested in honest dialogue or debate but rather in simply
> hurling invective and insulting those who disagree with him.  When someone
> pointed out to him that the convention in the V2020 living room was to try
> to limit posts to 2-3 per day, he said he'd post as much as he wanted.  And,
> he's proceeded to do so:  just in October, he's posted OVER THREE HUNDRED
> TIMES.  Get a clue:  he's nothing more than a cowardly rude troll with an
> agenda to disrupt and destroy this forum with his invective.
> 
> While I refuse to interact with nameless cowards, I also refuse to allow
> this troll to turn this COMMUNITY forum into his own one-sided playground.
> Only when it became undeniable that the troll has absolutely no respect for
> the way the V2020 community works did I start standing up to the bully by
> posting news from the other side, and even then, my "count" is still way
> under a hundred for this month -- and barely over a daily average of three
> posts per day.  And, I'll add that I've received more than a few offlist
> responses from folks all along the political spectrum thanking me for the
> articles I've been posting in response to the troll's firestorm.
> 
> I see your subsequent post where you suggest that people apply Donovan's
> (joking or not) suggestion about dealing with the troll's record posting
> frequency by doing the same to me.  Shame on you, Roger -- you've been
> around here long enough to know that I am a genuine participant who has
> posted according to our "on our honor" posting guidelines for years now.
> 
> I do find it telling that you once again come out in defense of those with
> whom you agree while ignoring their multitude transgressions and insults
> against those with whom you disagree.
> 
> So, what -- if any -- suggestions do you have to deal with trolls like the
> one trick pony No Weatherman's attempts to take over this forum for his own
> anti-Obama agenda by posting OVER THREE HUNDRED TIMES in fewer than 20 days?
> He's drowning out legitimate conversation and driving away list members and
> their participation in this COMMUNITY forum, which is indisputably one of
> his goals.
> 
> Yes, you're completely wrong Roger -- those of us who object to the cowardly
> anonymous troll's attempt to take over this forum would be just as
> frustrated by the volume regardless of the topic or political direction.
> 
> 
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
> 
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> ~ Edmund Burke
> 
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> 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of lfalen
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:09 AM
> To: No Weatherman; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Plea to Visionaires
> 
> Tom apparently only wants left wing views to be aired. Anything else is
> racist and profane. I would like Ton to demonstrate where No Wheathermans
> posts have been any more objectionable than  some of his. I submit that they
> are objectionable and profane because he disagrees with  the veiws
> expressed. No Wheatherman seems to me to do a petty good job of
> documentation when listing facts. Everyone have the right to an
> opinion(within reason) without documentation as long as it not presented as
> fact.
> Roger
> 
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