[Vision2020] Achtung!

Mon Oct 20 10:49:21 PDT 2008

All this talk of "Cults of Personality" reminded me of a band that were onto this in 1988.  Some themes really are timeless.  Reduce, Reuse, Recycle seems to fit into politics regularly.

Check out their video for "Cult of Personality" here.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ5SVDYBNrY

> From: vision2020-request at moscow.com> Subject: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 28, Issue 271> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:15:33 -0700> > Send Vision2020 mailing list submissions to> vision2020 at moscow.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> vision2020-request at moscow.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> vision2020-owner at moscow.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Vision2020 digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Questions for No. Weatherman (Chasuk)> 2. Re: Achtung! (Chasuk)> 3. Re: Achtung! (Paul Rumelhart)> 4. Re: The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut AsMayor> (g. crabtree)> 5. Re: The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut AsMayor> (Tom Hansen)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:35:25 -0700> From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>> Subject: [Vision2020] Questions for No. Weatherman> To: Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Message-ID:> <ef6f41de0810191535p5c6f6420p37b257169316b59 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > I'm not a fan of anonymous posting. I've been posting on electronic> forums since the the mid-1980s, and I've never posted anonymously. I> generally distrust anonymity. Yes, I know that there are legitimate> reasons for it to be employed.> > 1. Why, No. Weatherman, do you choose to post anonymously?> > 2. Would you vote for a Muslim to serve as President of the United States?> > If you answer these questions, a few more will likely follow.> > Chas> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:40:45 -0700> From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Achtung!> To: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com> Message-ID:> <ef6f41de0810191540w2d7edc64ie96773055a5b63fb at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > I'll be honest, I've never seen Obama's hand salute. But then I find> all salutes kind of creepy, regardless of origin, so I tend to filter> them out.> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:50:52 -0700> From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Achtung!> To: No Weatherman <no.weatherman at gmail.com>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com> Message-ID: <48FBB9CC.70600 at yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed> > You are a troll. You're actually trying to link Obama's campaign to > Nazi Germany. Now I can sleep easier, knowing you're not for real.> > I can tell you one thing, I'm not supporting Obama because of his "cult > of personality", but because he's less like our current President than > the other major candidate. The fact that's he's an intelligent guy who > doesn't think the Constitution is just a "goddamned piece of paper" is > icing on the cake.> > Paul> > No Weatherman wrote:> > Creating political cult figures is not without its problems.> >> > Consider, for example, the Obama salute's creepy predecessor:> >> > http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/the_obama_salutes_creepy_prede.html> >> > The last century saw enough personality cults that we don't need any> > more and it's not likely that anyone can add a new wrinkle to the> > deification of man.> >> > But when your candidate does not have a legitimate record and his> > background is steeped radicalism ? the cult of personality is your> > only option because if you tell the people the truth, they will not> > vote for you.> >> > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet, > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > > http://www.fsr.net > > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > =======================================================> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:53:45 -0700> From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut> AsMayor> To: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Message-ID: <0F138197A31C48B9ACE37DAC4955455D at gmc>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > Silly Not A Weatherman, three posts a day agreements are for people who > challenge the group think of the forum majority. Charter members such as > Tom, Saundra, and Sister Keely are not bound by any such restrictions.> > I'm reminded of my conversation with Mr. "I'm not looking for a Jesus" > Rumelhart on the topic of Barry's beautiful, round headed, half brother. > BHO's rules stipulate that we must "spread the wealth around" but when it > comes to his own wealth and the sibling who is behind him, (poor sot can't > afford the price of arugula) the rule becomes a guideline that is clearly > meant for others. Different rules for different groups on different days. > You, unfortunately, are in the wrong group and it clearly isn't your day.> > g> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:30 PM> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut > AsMayor> > > > Ms. Lund:> >> > Did you know that under Sharia law Andrew Sullivan would hang by the> > neck until he died?> >> > I point this fact out because Obama campaigned in Kenya for his cousin> > Odinga's candidacy for president and Odinga ran on the platform of> > instituting Sharia law.> >> > I wonder what you would say if Gov. Palin committed such a political > > crime.> >> > Let's make a deal.> >> > How bout you try interacting with Thomas Sowell's thoughtful> > commentary and I'll interact with Sullivan's.> >> > The reason I make this request is that since Barack Obama has no> > political executive experience, I don't have an opportunity to> > critique it, unlike Sullivan with Palin.> >> > Oh.> >> > And I'm a racist for pointing this out.> >> > Btw, you're way over the three post limit.> >> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net> > > wrote:> >> The Atlantic> >>> >> The Daily Dish> >>> >> Andrew Sullivan> >>> >> 19 Oct 2008 01:23 pm> >>> >>> >>> >> The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut As Mayor> >>> >>> >>> >> TPM has the details on this. As usual, the public statement from Palin:> >>> >> "As mayor I took a voluntary pay cut, which didn't thrill my husband; and> >> then as governor I cut the personal chef position from the budget, and > >> that> >> didn't thrill my hungry kids."> >>> >>> >>> >> And as usual, the different reality:> >>> >> As a Council member she voted against hiking the mayor's salary from > >> $64,000> >> to $68,000, but it passed anyway. When she came in as mayor, she passed > >> the> >> ordinance which brought her salary down to $61,200. But that may not> >> actually have taken effect, and Council-mandated raises brought her > >> actual> >> salary up to $68,000.> >>> >>> >>> >> http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-odd-lies-20.html> >>> >>> >>> >> =======================================================> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> >> http://www.fsr.net> >> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> >> =======================================================> >>> >> > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > http://www.fsr.net> > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > =======================================================> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:15:37 -0700> From: Tom Hansen <idahotom at hotmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut> AsMayor> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Message-ID: <BAY134-W3500D8E07DE230C6BD665FD22C0 at phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > I really don't give a frig if No-Brain posts 238,968,583,550,923 times a day, g-ster, and sets a new speed record doing it.> > I simply filter them all into a mail directory I like to call "The Toilet" which I flush daily. Which reminds me . . . It's just about that time. Besides, the neighbors are beginning to complain about the smell.> > Can anybody recommend a good air freshener?> > Tom Hansen> Moscow, Idaho> > > > > From: jampot at roadrunner.com> To: no.weatherman at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:53:45 -0700> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut AsMayor> > Silly Not A Weatherman, three posts a day agreements are for people who > challenge the group think of the forum majority. Charter members such as > Tom, Saundra, and Sister Keely are not bound by any such restrictions.> > I'm reminded of my conversation with Mr. "I'm not looking for a Jesus" > Rumelhart on the topic of Barry's beautiful, round headed, half brother. > BHO's rules stipulate that we must "spread the wealth around" but when it > comes to his own wealth and the sibling who is behind him, (poor sot can't > afford the price of arugula) the rule becomes a guideline that is clearly > meant for others. Different rules for different groups on different days. > You, unfortunately, are in the wrong group and it clearly isn't your day.> > g> ----- Original Message ----- !> > From: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:30 PM> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut > AsMayor> > > > Ms. Lund:> >> > Did you know that under Sharia law Andrew Sullivan would hang by the> > neck until he died?> >> > I point this fact out because Obama campaigned in Kenya for his cousin> > Odinga's candidacy for president and Odinga ran on the platform of> > instituting Sharia law.> >> > I wonder what you would say if Gov. Palin committed such a political > > crime.> >> > Let's make a deal.> >> > How bout you try interacting with Thomas Sowell's thoughtful> > commentary and I'll interact with Sullivan's.> >> > The reason I make this request is that since Barack Obama has no> > political executive experience, I don't have an opportunity to> > critique it, unlike Sullivan with Palin.> >> > Oh.> >> > And I'm a racist for pointing this out.> >> > Btw, you're way over the thr!> ee post limit.> >> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net> > > wrote:> >> The Atlantic> >>> >> The Daily Dish> >>> >> Andrew Sullivan> >>> >> 19 Oct 2008 01:23 pm> >>> >>> >>> >> The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut As Mayor> >>> >>> >>> >> TPM has the details on this. As usual, the public statement from Palin:> >>> >> "As mayor I took a voluntary pay cut, which didn't thrill my husband; and> >> then as governor I cut the personal chef position from the budget, and > >> that> >> didn't thrill my hungry kids."> >>> >>> >>> >> And as usual, the different reality:> >>> >> As a Council member she voted against hiking the mayor's salary from > >> $64,000> >> to $68,000, but it passed anyway. When she came in as mayor, she passed > >> the> >> ordinance which brought her salary down to $61,200. But that may not> >> actually have taken effect, and Council-mandated raises brought her > >> actual> >> salary up to $68,000.> >>> >>> >>> >> http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-odd!> -lies-20.html> >>> >>> >>> >> =======================================================> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> >> http://www.fsr.net> >> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> >> =======================================================> >>> >> > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > http://www.fsr.net> > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > =======================================================> > > > > =======================================================> List services made available by First Step Internet, > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > http://www.fsr.net > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20081019/e1577854/attachment.html > > ------------------------------> > =======================================================> List services made available by First Step Internet, > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > http://www.fsr.net > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================> > End of Vision2020 Digest, Vol 28, Issue 271> *******************************************
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