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All this talk of "Cults of Personality" reminded me of a band that were onto this in 1988. Some themes really are timeless. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle seems to fit into politics regularly.<BR>
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Check out their video for "Cult of Personality" here.<BR>
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<A href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ5SVDYBNrY">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ5SVDYBNrY</A><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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> From: vision2020-request@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 28, Issue 271<BR>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:15:33 -0700<BR>> <BR>> Send Vision2020 mailing list submissions to<BR>> vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020<BR>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> vision2020-request@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> vision2020-owner@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> than "Re: Contents of Vision2020 digest..."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Today's Topics:<BR>> <BR>> 1. Questions for No. Weatherman (Chasuk)<BR>> 2. Re: Achtung! (Chasuk)<BR>> 3. Re: Achtung! (Paul Rumelhart)<BR>> 4. Re: The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut AsMayor<BR>> (g. crabtree)<BR>> 5. Re: The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut AsMayor<BR>> (Tom Hansen)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 1<BR>> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:35:25 -0700<BR>> From: Chasuk <chasuk@gmail.com><BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] Questions for No. Weatherman<BR>> To: Vision2020 <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> Message-ID:<BR>> <ef6f41de0810191535p5c6f6420p37b257169316b59@mail.gmail.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR>> <BR>> I'm not a fan of anonymous posting. I've been posting on electronic<BR>> forums since the the mid-1980s, and I've never posted anonymously. I<BR>> generally distrust anonymity. Yes, I know that there are legitimate<BR>> reasons for it to be employed.<BR>> <BR>> 1. Why, No. Weatherman, do you choose to post anonymously?<BR>> <BR>> 2. Would you vote for a Muslim to serve as President of the United States?<BR>> <BR>> If you answer these questions, a few more will likely follow.<BR>> <BR>> Chas<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 2<BR>> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:40:45 -0700<BR>> From: Chasuk <chasuk@gmail.com><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Achtung!<BR>> To: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman@gmail.com><BR>> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Message-ID:<BR>> <ef6f41de0810191540w2d7edc64ie96773055a5b63fb@mail.gmail.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR>> <BR>> I'll be honest, I've never seen Obama's hand salute. But then I find<BR>> all salutes kind of creepy, regardless of origin, so I tend to filter<BR>> them out.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 3<BR>> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:50:52 -0700<BR>> From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Achtung!<BR>> To: No Weatherman <no.weatherman@gmail.com><BR>> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Message-ID: <48FBB9CC.70600@yahoo.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed<BR>> <BR>> You are a troll. You're actually trying to link Obama's campaign to <BR>> Nazi Germany. Now I can sleep easier, knowing you're not for real.<BR>> <BR>> I can tell you one thing, I'm not supporting Obama because of his "cult <BR>> of personality", but because he's less like our current President than <BR>> the other major candidate. The fact that's he's an intelligent guy who <BR>> doesn't think the Constitution is just a "goddamned piece of paper" is <BR>> icing on the cake.<BR>> <BR>> Paul<BR>> <BR>> No Weatherman wrote:<BR>> > Creating political cult figures is not without its problems.<BR>> ><BR>> > Consider, for example, the Obama salute's creepy predecessor:<BR>> ><BR>> > http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/the_obama_salutes_creepy_prede.html<BR>> ><BR>> > The last century saw enough personality cults that we don't need any<BR>> > more and it's not likely that anyone can add a new wrinkle to the<BR>> > deification of man.<BR>> ><BR>> > But when your candidate does not have a legitimate record and his<BR>> > background is steeped radicalism ? the cult of personality is your<BR>> > only option because if you tell the people the truth, they will not<BR>> > vote for you.<BR>> ><BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> > List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> > http://www.fsr.net <BR>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> ><BR>> > <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 4<BR>> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:53:45 -0700<BR>> From: "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut<BR>> AsMayor<BR>> To: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman@gmail.com>, <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> Message-ID: <0F138197A31C48B9ACE37DAC4955455D@gmc><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";<BR>> reply-type=original<BR>> <BR>> Silly Not A Weatherman, three posts a day agreements are for people who <BR>> challenge the group think of the forum majority. Charter members such as <BR>> Tom, Saundra, and Sister Keely are not bound by any such restrictions.<BR>> <BR>> I'm reminded of my conversation with Mr. "I'm not looking for a Jesus" <BR>> Rumelhart on the topic of Barry's beautiful, round headed, half brother. <BR>> BHO's rules stipulate that we must "spread the wealth around" but when it <BR>> comes to his own wealth and the sibling who is behind him, (poor sot can't <BR>> afford the price of arugula) the rule becomes a guideline that is clearly <BR>> meant for others. Different rules for different groups on different days. <BR>> You, unfortunately, are in the wrong group and it clearly isn't your day.<BR>> <BR>> g<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman@gmail.com><BR>> To: <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:30 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut <BR>> AsMayor<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Ms. Lund:<BR>> ><BR>> > Did you know that under Sharia law Andrew Sullivan would hang by the<BR>> > neck until he died?<BR>> ><BR>> > I point this fact out because Obama campaigned in Kenya for his cousin<BR>> > Odinga's candidacy for president and Odinga ran on the platform of<BR>> > instituting Sharia law.<BR>> ><BR>> > I wonder what you would say if Gov. Palin committed such a political <BR>> > crime.<BR>> ><BR>> > Let's make a deal.<BR>> ><BR>> > How bout you try interacting with Thomas Sowell's thoughtful<BR>> > commentary and I'll interact with Sullivan's.<BR>> ><BR>> > The reason I make this request is that since Barack Obama has no<BR>> > political executive experience, I don't have an opportunity to<BR>> > critique it, unlike Sullivan with Palin.<BR>> ><BR>> > Oh.<BR>> ><BR>> > And I'm a racist for pointing this out.<BR>> ><BR>> > Btw, you're way over the three post limit.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Saundra Lund <sslund_2007@verizon.net> <BR>> > wrote:<BR>> >> The Atlantic<BR>> >><BR>> >> The Daily Dish<BR>> >><BR>> >> Andrew Sullivan<BR>> >><BR>> >> 19 Oct 2008 01:23 pm<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut As Mayor<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> TPM has the details on this. As usual, the public statement from Palin:<BR>> >><BR>> >> "As mayor I took a voluntary pay cut, which didn't thrill my husband; and<BR>> >> then as governor I cut the personal chef position from the budget, and <BR>> >> that<BR>> >> didn't thrill my hungry kids."<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> And as usual, the different reality:<BR>> >><BR>> >> As a Council member she voted against hiking the mayor's salary from <BR>> >> $64,000<BR>> >> to $68,000, but it passed anyway. When she came in as mayor, she passed <BR>> >> the<BR>> >> ordinance which brought her salary down to $61,200. But that may not<BR>> >> actually have taken effect, and Council-mandated raises brought her <BR>> >> actual<BR>> >> salary up to $68,000.<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-odd-lies-20.html<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> =======================================================<BR>> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> >> http://www.fsr.net<BR>> >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >> =======================================================<BR>> >><BR>> ><BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> > http://www.fsr.net<BR>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> > <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 5<BR>> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:15:37 -0700<BR>> From: Tom Hansen <idahotom@hotmail.com><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut<BR>> AsMayor<BR>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com>, <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> Message-ID: <BAY134-W3500D8E07DE230C6BD665FD22C0@phx.gbl><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> <BR>> I really don't give a frig if No-Brain posts 238,968,583,550,923 times a day, g-ster, and sets a new speed record doing it.<BR>> <BR>> I simply filter them all into a mail directory I like to call "The Toilet" which I flush daily. Which reminds me . . . It's just about that time. Besides, the neighbors are beginning to complain about the smell.<BR>> <BR>> Can anybody recommend a good air freshener?<BR>> <BR>> Tom Hansen<BR>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > From: jampot@roadrunner.com> To: no.weatherman@gmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:53:45 -0700> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut AsMayor> > Silly Not A Weatherman, three posts a day agreements are for people who > challenge the group think of the forum majority. Charter members such as > Tom, Saundra, and Sister Keely are not bound by any such restrictions.> > I'm reminded of my conversation with Mr. "I'm not looking for a Jesus" > Rumelhart on the topic of Barry's beautiful, round headed, half brother. > BHO's rules stipulate that we must "spread the wealth around" but when it > comes to his own wealth and the sibling who is behind him, (poor sot can't > afford the price of arugula) the rule becomes a guideline that is clearly > meant for others. Different rules for different groups on different days. > You, unfortunately, are in the wrong group and it clearly isn't your day.> > g> ----- Original Message ----- !<BR>> > From: "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman@gmail.com>> To: <vision2020@moscow.com>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:30 PM> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut > AsMayor> > > > Ms. Lund:> >> > Did you know that under Sharia law Andrew Sullivan would hang by the> > neck until he died?> >> > I point this fact out because Obama campaigned in Kenya for his cousin> > Odinga's candidacy for president and Odinga ran on the platform of> > instituting Sharia law.> >> > I wonder what you would say if Gov. Palin committed such a political > > crime.> >> > Let's make a deal.> >> > How bout you try interacting with Thomas Sowell's thoughtful> > commentary and I'll interact with Sullivan's.> >> > The reason I make this request is that since Barack Obama has no> > political executive experience, I don't have an opportunity to> > critique it, unlike Sullivan with Palin.> >> > Oh.> >> > And I'm a racist for pointing this out.> >> > Btw, you're way over the thr!<BR>> ee post limit.> >> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Saundra Lund <sslund_2007@verizon.net> > > wrote:> >> The Atlantic> >>> >> The Daily Dish> >>> >> Andrew Sullivan> >>> >> 19 Oct 2008 01:23 pm> >>> >>> >>> >> The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XII: Her Pay Cut As Mayor> >>> >>> >>> >> TPM has the details on this. As usual, the public statement from Palin:> >>> >> "As mayor I took a voluntary pay cut, which didn't thrill my husband; and> >> then as governor I cut the personal chef position from the budget, and > >> that> >> didn't thrill my hungry kids."> >>> >>> >>> >> And as usual, the different reality:> >>> >> As a Council member she voted against hiking the mayor's salary from > >> $64,000> >> to $68,000, but it passed anyway. When she came in as mayor, she passed > >> the> >> ordinance which brought her salary down to $61,200. But that may not> >> actually have taken effect, and Council-mandated raises brought her > >> actual> >> salary up to $68,000.> >>> >>> >>> >> http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-odd!<BR>> -lies-20.html> >>> >>> >>> >> =======================================================> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> >> http://www.fsr.net> >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com> >> =======================================================> >>> >> > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > http://www.fsr.net> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com> > =======================================================> > > > > =======================================================> List services made available by First Step Internet, > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > http://www.fsr.net > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com> =======================================================<BR>> -------------- next part --------------<BR>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> URL: http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20081019/e1577854/attachment.html <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> http://www.fsr.net <BR>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> =======================================================<BR>> <BR>> End of Vision2020 Digest, Vol 28, Issue 271<BR>> *******************************************<BR><BR><br /><hr />When your life is on the go—take your life with you. <a href='http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/' target='_new'>Try Windows Mobile® today</a></body>
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