[Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma

Tue Oct 7 14:23:39 PDT 2008

I prefer:
"The beatings will continue until MY morale improves."

Next....

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From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 2:02 PM
To: <areaman at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma

> But then, of course, one way to improve the morale of any organization is
> to fire the unhappy employees.
>
> It's the old saying . . .
>
> "Firings will continue until morale improves."
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>> "These aren't the droids you're looking for"
>> - Obi Wan Kenobi
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:30 AM
>> To: Kai Eiselein, Editor; Andreas Schou; No Weatherman
>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma
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>>
>> "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
>> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
>> Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
>> - That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
>> deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That
>> whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
>> the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new
>> Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its
>> powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their
>> Safety and Happiness.'
>>
>> - The Declaration of Independence
>>
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>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>
>> "It doesn't require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
>> minority keen to set brushfires in people's minds."
>> - Samuel Johnson [1709-84]
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>> From: editor at lataheagle.com
>> To: idahotom at hotmail.com; ophite at gmail.com; no.weatherman at gmail.com
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma
>> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:10:01 -0700
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>> Secession is the highest form of dissent.
>>
>>
>> From: Tom Hansen <mailto:idahotom at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:55 AM
>> To: Andreas Schou <mailto:ophite at gmail.com>  ; No
>> <mailto:no.weatherman at gmail.com> Weatherman
>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma
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>> "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
>>
>> - Thomas Jefferson
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>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
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>> > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:25:28 -0700
>> > From: ophite at gmail.com
>> > To: no.weatherman at gmail.com
>> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:34 AM, No Weatherman
>> <no.weatherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > ACS,
>> > >
>> > > You're the one who cannot (or will not) distinguish between domestic
>> > > terrorism and vandalism:
>> >
>> > This is ironic, coming from someone who cannot (or will not)
>> > distinguish between treason and patriotism.
>> >
>> > >
>> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-September/056263.html
>> >
>> > "Terrorist" describes their goals: they were attempting to change
>> > policies through use of public fear. "Vandalism" describes their
>> > methods: they did property damage, and didn't kill anyone other than
>> > -- incompetently -- themselves. Ex post facto, they claimed that they
>> > were going to step up and start killing people, but they didn't
>> > actually do that; that may be conspiracy commit murder. Incidentally,
>> > that's also what G. Gordon Liddy did with regard to Jack Anderson.
>> >
>> > Incidentally, I don't see that you've made any further defense of your
>> > assertion that Liddy was a great patriot.
>> >
>> > > Therefore, it's slightly ironic that you would try to impeach law
>> > > professor Steve Diamond based upon your understanding of grantee
>> > > agencies.
>> >
>> > As a former nonprofit executive, I'm quite aware of what the fiduciary
>> > duties of such an executive are. They do not involve the selection of
>> > a nonprofit board: the board must be selected independently of the
>> > executive. Incidentally, the CAC did this the opposite way most
>> > nonprofits do it: usually, the president forms a board, then hires an
>> > executive. I suspect it was done this way because Ayers, as a
>> > potential grantee, *could not* be president of the board.
>> >
>> > > Interestingly, I noticed that you ignored this salient point from
>> Diamond:
>> > >
>> > > "In social science and law, written contemporaneous records are
>> > > considered a more credible source than ex post recollections by only
>> a
>> > > small number of the individuals involved. I thought the same
>> standards
>> > > applied in journalism as well."
>> >
>> > Incidentally, Diamond's "evidence" takes this form: "Bill Ayers had
>> > an executive role at CAC; that executive role conferred a fiduciary
>> > duty on him; that fiduciary duty must have given him a primary role in
>> > selecting the board of directors; Ayers must have selected Obama,
>> > QED."
>> >
>> > This is convincing to anyone without a whit of knowledge regarding
>> > nonprofit boards. The board of directors cannot be selected by someone
>> > with a financial stake in the nonprofit; doing so creates an inherent
>> > conflict of interest. The operative section of the tax code is here:
>> >
>> > "A section 501(c)(3) organization must not be organized or operated
>> > for the benefit of private interests, such as the creator or the
>> > creator's family, shareholders of the organization, other designated
>> > individuals, or persons controlled directly or indirectly by such
>> > private interests. No part of the net earnings of a section 501(c)(3)
>> > organization may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or
>> > individual. A private shareholder or individual is a person having a
>> > personal and private interest in the activities of the organization."
>> >
>> > -- ACS
>> >
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