[Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma

Tue Oct 7 14:02:32 PDT 2008

But then, of course, one way to improve the morale of any organization is 
to fire the unhappy employees.

It's the old saying . . .

"Firings will continue until morale improves."

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

> "These aren't the droids you're looking for"
> - Obi Wan Kenobi
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:30 AM
> To: Kai Eiselein, Editor; Andreas Schou; No Weatherman
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma
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> "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
> Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
> - That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
> deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That
> whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
> the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new
> Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its
> powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their
> Safety and Happiness.'
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> - The Declaration of Independence
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> Seeya round town, Moscow.
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> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
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> "It doesn't require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
> minority keen to set brushfires in people's minds."
> - Samuel Johnson [1709-84]
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> From: editor at lataheagle.com
> To: idahotom at hotmail.com; ophite at gmail.com; no.weatherman at gmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma
> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:10:01 -0700
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> Secession is the highest form of dissent.
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> From: Tom Hansen <mailto:idahotom at hotmail.com>  
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:55 AM
> To: Andreas Schou <mailto:ophite at gmail.com>  ; No
> <mailto:no.weatherman at gmail.com> Weatherman 
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma
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> "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
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> - Thomas Jefferson
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> Seeya round town, Moscow.
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> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
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> > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:25:28 -0700
> > From: ophite at gmail.com
> > To: no.weatherman at gmail.com
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma
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> > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:34 AM, No Weatherman
> <no.weatherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > ACS,
> > >
> > > You're the one who cannot (or will not) distinguish between domestic
> > > terrorism and vandalism:
> > 
> > This is ironic, coming from someone who cannot (or will not)
> > distinguish between treason and patriotism.
> > 
> > >
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-September/056263.html
> > 
> > "Terrorist" describes their goals: they were attempting to change
> > policies through use of public fear. "Vandalism" describes their
> > methods: they did property damage, and didn't kill anyone other than
> > -- incompetently -- themselves. Ex post facto, they claimed that they
> > were going to step up and start killing people, but they didn't
> > actually do that; that may be conspiracy commit murder. Incidentally,
> > that's also what G. Gordon Liddy did with regard to Jack Anderson.
> > 
> > Incidentally, I don't see that you've made any further defense of your
> > assertion that Liddy was a great patriot.
> > 
> > > Therefore, it's slightly ironic that you would try to impeach law
> > > professor Steve Diamond based upon your understanding of grantee
> > > agencies.
> > 
> > As a former nonprofit executive, I'm quite aware of what the fiduciary
> > duties of such an executive are. They do not involve the selection of
> > a nonprofit board: the board must be selected independently of the
> > executive. Incidentally, the CAC did this the opposite way most
> > nonprofits do it: usually, the president forms a board, then hires an
> > executive. I suspect it was done this way because Ayers, as a
> > potential grantee, *could not* be president of the board.
> > 
> > > Interestingly, I noticed that you ignored this salient point from
> Diamond:
> > >
> > > "In social science and law, written contemporaneous records are
> > > considered a more credible source than ex post recollections by only
> a
> > > small number of the individuals involved. I thought the same
> standards
> > > applied in journalism as well."
> > 
> > Incidentally, Diamond's "evidence" takes this form: "Bill Ayers had
> > an executive role at CAC; that executive role conferred a fiduciary
> > duty on him; that fiduciary duty must have given him a primary role in
> > selecting the board of directors; Ayers must have selected Obama,
> > QED."
> > 
> > This is convincing to anyone without a whit of knowledge regarding
> > nonprofit boards. The board of directors cannot be selected by someone
> > with a financial stake in the nonprofit; doing so creates an inherent
> > conflict of interest. The operative section of the tax code is here:
> > 
> > "A section 501(c)(3) organization must not be organized or operated
> > for the benefit of private interests, such as the creator or the
> > creator's family, shareholders of the organization, other designated
> > individuals, or persons controlled directly or indirectly by such
> > private interests. No part of the net earnings of a section 501(c)(3)
> > organization may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or
> > individual. A private shareholder or individual is a person having a
> > personal and private interest in the activities of the organization."
> > 
> > -- ACS
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