[Vision2020] Not here [was just sarcasm? no!

Wed May 14 21:27:31 PDT 2008

Paul & ya'al

Thanks for the Dick Tracy computer work...

Even a computer/Internet novice such as myself has determined via e-mail
headers that some Vision2020 posts are originating from far flung corners of
the world, when those authoring these posts were, perhaps, not quite
forthright regarding who they were or where they were posting from...

Ted Moffett

On 5/14/08, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Joe Campbell wrote:
>
> Please read this and compare the writing style to the other posts, and notice
> the lack of contractions here. A very clumsy style here -- "There is a great
> deal of difference between someone being discriminated against because they
> are here taking a job, versus that of their race" -- versus the rather breezy
> style of the other postings.
>
> Again, if anyone -- other than Christovan -- thinks I'm wrong I'd like to here it.
>
>
>
> I don't want to waste my mental resources (scarce as they sometimes are) on
> psychoanalyzing Donovan's writing style, but I will point out that you can
> get some idea who is posting from where by looking at the email headers.  If
> you have an email client that actually lets you see the headers (many
> Microsoft clients won't let you), then you will see something like this
> (taken from my copy of the email you are referencing):
>
> From - Wed May 14 18:02:30 2008
> X-Account-Key: account2
> X-UIDL: AFpXv9EAAIFiSCtqMwShAxFHSk8
> X-Mozilla-Status: 0011
> X-Mozilla-Status2: 10000000
> X-Mozilla-Keys:
> X-Apparently-To: godshatter at yahoo.com via 209.191.87.90; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:39:47 -0700
> X-Originating-IP: [64.126.132.9]
> Authentication-Results: mta352.mail.re4.yahoo.com  from=moscow.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
> Received: from 64.126.132.9  (EHLO trumpet.fsr.net) (64.126.132.9)
>   by mta352.mail.re4.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:39:45 -0700
> Received: from trumpet.fsr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> 	by trumpet.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m4EMcjUJ098020;
> 	Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
> 	(envelope-from vision2020-bounces at moscow.com)
> Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net (mail-gw.fsr.net [64.126.132.22])
> 	by trumpet.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m4EMciKU097901
> 	for <vision2020 at lists.fsr.com> <vision2020 at lists.fsr.com>; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:44 -0700 (PDT)
> 	(envelope-from owner-vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net)
> Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx242.postini.com [64.18.0.162])
> 	by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.13.1/8.12.3) with SMTP id m4EMct1v068083
> 	for <vision2020 at firststepinternet.com> <vision2020 at firststepinternet.com>;
> 	Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:55 -0700 (PDT)
> 	(envelope-from donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com)
> Received: from source ([64.126.133.12]) (using TLSv1) by
> 	exprod5mx242.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP;
> 	Wed, 14 May 2008 18:38:50 EDT
> Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx213.postini.com [64.18.0.72])
> 	by mx4.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id m4EMcgnB016777
> 	for <vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:43 -0700 (PDT)
> 	(envelope-from donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com)
> Received: from source ([209.191.124.134]) by exprod5mx213.postini.com
> 	([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 17:38:49 CDT
> Received: (qmail 21370 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2008 22:38:49 -0000
> X-YMail-OSG: ZAPVG5kVM1lUEPrGYOzFp6EeN.G1LAvCqFayFRDftkoa41Vpy2XU9h1rhnJuLWs5JQ--
> Received: from [72.24.91.109] by web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP;
> 	Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:49 PDT
> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> ....
>
>
>
> Don't let this cryptic stuff scare you.  What you want to look for is the
> "Received:" line farthest down the list, since they go in order from
> receiver to sender as you go down the list.  In this case, you see the
> following:
>
>
> Received: from [72.24.91.109] by web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP;
> 	Wed, 14 May 2008 15:38:49 PDT
>
>
>
> The IP address should be the address Donovan is posting from (72.24.91.109).
> The "via HTTP" part means he's connecting through the web to yahoo's email
> client.  I don't know if he posts from home, from work, from a friends
> place, from his neighbor's wifi connection, or if he's even the one using
> that account, but that IP address resolves to:
>
> Non-authoritative answer:
> 109.91.24.72.in-addr.arpa    name = 91-109.72-24-cpe.cableone.net.
>
> This is an IP owned by cableone.net, which appears to have connections in
> the Lewiston area but not in Moscow (unless their web page is out of date).
>
> I've spot-checked a few messages, and so far all I've seen originate from
> this IP address.
>
> That address could be an endpoint of an onion routing network like tor, but
> if that were the case I'd expect it to change frequently.
>
> Donovan, can you confirm that you have Cable One as an internet provider?
> Not that it's any of our business, but it might help us solve this "riddle".
>
> Paul
>
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