[Vision2020] Recall the city council

[pkraut at moscow.com]

But this was the fault of the previous council that would not work with 
those who wanted to build here in Moscow. Smart growth was no growth and 
threw out some opportunities that would have placed the taxes in Moscow. 
More of that keep it on just the one side of town fight. This way we at 
least get money for our water and the activity just before Moscow. Many 
will enter Moscow from Hawkins and not even know they have crossed a 
state line they will just still be shopping. I do hope that Walmart 
builds in Hawkins a really big store as soon as possible. House txes are 
too high here and the only way to get them down is with new monies...if 
Thompson had been allowed to go forward that would have helped. We are 
now in a position of trying to go back and fix some things short sighted 
people who just wanted it their way without looking at what would really 
be good for the whole caused. 




> If what you want for Moscow is growth, what you're getting if Hawkins  
> comes to fruition, is no growth in Moscow.  Washington benefits,  
> Moscow loses.  A vote for the present council was a vote for no growth  
> at all.
> Smart growth would have better.
> 
> Bill Bonte
> On Mar 23, 2008, at 2:16 PM, <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
> 
> > This attitude is exactly why Aaron is no longer on the council. If  
> > 68% of
> > the city of Moscow lives on the other side of town from the current  
> > 'big'
> > mall why are we still only building on that side of town? We won't! We
> > need more shopping on this side where people live...end of story. It  
> > is
> > elitist at best for you and others to decide that everyone in town  
> > will
> > shop only where you say without considering the needs of everyone in
> > town. The old council was voted in by an group who saw this as the one
> > and only way to grow or change anything and you might note they are no
> > longer there. When we all learned what they meant by 'smart growth' we
> > realized that is was not what we needed nor wanted.
> >
> >
> >
> >> First, no one threatened the previous council. They were elected in
> > part because of their
> > ideas about smart growth vs. growth at any cost.
> >>
> >> Second, if and when the Hawkins area starts to develop, it will  
> >> have as
> > much to do with
> > the current council selling water rights and opening up the flood  
> > gates
> > (no pun intended)
> > as anything else. Why not complain about that?
> >>
> >> Third, some of us (me at least) were opposed to the Super Walmart
> > location -- on the east
> > side of town, which would have caused huge traffic problems -- as  
> > opposed
> > to Walmart per
> > se. I'd rather see Walmart develop on the west side of town rather  
> > than
> > the east. I'd
> > rather even see it developed in Washington than across from the East  
> > Side
> > Mall.
> >>
> >> Fourth, one might ask, Why didn't Super Walmart develop on the west
> > side of town? Part of
> > the answer is that the area of town which was zoned for that type of
> > purpose (viz. A
> > Street) was eventually turned into apartments. It happened well before
> > the mayor and
> > previous council were in office, when back door deals were common and
> > ignorance of the
> > comprehensive plan was celebrated. I fear much the same from the  
> > current
> > council, as the
> > details of the last Hawkins seem to reveal.
> >>
> >> Find out the facts, Donovan, and criticize the folks who deserve
> > criticism. If A Street
> > were available for Super Walmart -- which would benefit most of the  
> > folks
> > in town -- as
> > opposed to apartments -- which benefit a minority -- there would not  
> > have
> > been the level
> > of opposition that there was. I wouldn't have opposed such a  
> > development.
> > Not that I would
> > have liked it -- I'm still anti-Walmart for reasons other than their
> > location on the
> > Palouse -- but I wouldn't have opposed a Super Walmart on A Street.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Joe Campbell
> >>
> >> ---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> =============
> >> Like we didn't see this coming?
> >>
> >>  The Moscow City Council rejected fair efforts by Wal-Mart to play
> > ball according to the
> > rules laid out by Moscow. Now Wal-Mart is going across the street to  
> > play
> > ball over there.
> > You didn't think that was going to happen? Of course it is.
> >>
> >>  This is why people, economic professors included, were saying to the
> > then Moscow City
> > Council and Mayor to work with Wal-Mart so we have the revenue, set  
> > the
> > environmental
> > standards, and the layout to our advantage.
> >>
> >>  When a handful of noisy vocal, we know what's best, residents showed
> > up to threaten the
> > council if they voted to support Wal-Mart, they with that vote, gave  
> > 100%
> > of the power,
> > revenue, and jobs to Whitman County, just one mile away. Was it  
> > worth it?
> > I think not.
> >>
> >>  Wal-Mart is much bigger than Moscow, and will have a Super Center in
> > the area,
> > regardless of a few efforts by some community members. The Anti-Wal- 
> > Mart
> > effort was only
> > successful in preventing a Green Wal-Mart that brought jobs and  
> > revenue
> > to the community
> > from coming into the Moscow city limits. It was not successful in
> > anything else.
> >>
> >>  Best Regards,
> >>
> >>  Donovan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> roger hayes <rhayes at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Moscow citizens need to take a good look at what the city council's
> >>> decision to provide water and sewer to the Hawkins company will  
> >>> bring.
> >>> Yesterday's Daily News posted some serious speculation about WalMart
> >>> building a Super Center in the Hawkin's development. Earlier, I did
> >>> have a suspicion that was a distinct possibility. I could not see  
> >>> how
> >>> a Lowes could be the anchor store. WalMart, Idaho division, remains
> >>> tight lipped about its plans, but would not rule out the  
> >>> possibility.
> >>> A local WalMart employee speculated that it is a reality.
> >>> By providing water and sewer service across the state line, Moscow
> >>> taxpayers may now subsidize the construction of WalMart. Whitman
> >>> county taxpayers are providing over 10 million in infrastructure
> >>> development. This is an ultimate irony since both communities have
> >>> waged campaigns against the building of a Super Center in their
> >>> communities. And in Moscow's case, we are dealing a vast economic
> > blow
> >>> to our community.
> >>> Much more is going on than we citizens know. What other "deals" are
> >>> happening behind closed doors?
> >>> I do feel that if WalMart comes in it will prove how inept, and most
> >>> likely, corrupt the current Moscow city council is. The council will
> >>> no doubt plead ignorance, and do so with an arrogant smile.
> >> We need to do something and do it quickly. Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Roger Hayes
> >>>
> >>
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