[Vision2020] Respect Vision 2020
Warren Hayman
whayman at roadrunner.com
Mon Jun 16 21:02:18 PDT 2008
Hello again All,
Now that two dogs are not vying for the attention of my hands and causing an inadvertent "send" click, let me begin again.
My concern was neither the content nor context of postings. Rather, the sheer volume of what amounts to a couple of people texting each other multiple times quickly, and thus, from my perspective, cluttering the inboxes of hundreds in what seems to be minute elaborations of grammatical tropes, perspectives, and one-upmanship. Some of the posts make even Achilles and Agamemnon at the beginning of the Iliad appear rational.
Supreme Court rulings, for example, have cogency, coherency, and relevance even here in Moscow. I would hesitate to call any one topic unimportant or irrevelant, and enjoy the opportunity to learn from all of them. I don't learn much at all from two or three folks engaging in vitriol-- take it off-list, maybe? Talk it out at a downtown venue? Or at least give it a day to reflect prior to reply. This may have been the operant mindset within Ms. Swanson's ad nauseum phrase earlier today-- not the topoi themselves, but the iteration and reiteration of minutiae directed toward not all, but only one or two others at most.
I'm not trying to advocate censorship here. Rather, I ask for the simple consideration of all of the others entangled within the thread by proxy of the listserve itself. Think twice before posting, and consider the entirety of the audience?
Says the guy who hit the send button by mistake,
Warren Hayman
----- Original Message -----
From: Warren Hayman
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com ; 'Bev Bafus' ; kfreitag at roadrunner.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Respect Vision 2020 Posters by havingconversationsonly you want to engage in?
Hello All,
I fear I might have had a hand in this evolving thread. Accordingly, please allow me to clarify/extend my post of yesterday.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: 'Bev Bafus' ; kfreitag at roadrunner.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Respect Vision 2020 Posters by havingconversations only you want to engage in?
Perhaps some people would like to advocate for a new committee to be created to moderate the list serve and to establish what is acceptable and relevant content to the original 1995 Vision 2020 Mission Statement. Give them the right to delete anything they disagree with, pick and choose who gets to participate, and under what conditions.
I personally consider how we treat our soldiers and terrorists relevant. As Moscow does have residents in war. We have an ROTC program here. And Moscow also cares about civil rights, and the how it impacts our community. We are as much a part of the US community as any other city in America. I don't believe our topics should be limited to the city code of fines for dog poo on sidewalks and what days we can water our lawn, or what kind of pies will be at the Farmer's Market.
I certainly find this conversation more relevant to our community over that bashing Doug Wilson every day like this forum did for about five years.
Best Regards,
Donovan
--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Kris Freitag <kfreitag at roadrunner.com> wrote:
From: Kris Freitag <kfreitag at roadrunner.com>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Respect Vision 2020 Posters by having conversations only you want to engage in?
To: "'Bev Bafus'" <bevbafus at verizon.net>, donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 6:54 PM
Bev,
Such graciousness is not often encountered on vision 2020. It is too bad that some people think so much of themselves that they have hijacked this public service to stroke their egos. The problem with my delete button is that it is hard to find because the print is worn off because of overuse. I really object to the 5 minutes it takes to download all those messages I don’t want, to get to the few that keep me informed as to what is going on in the community.
Kris
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com ] On Behalf Of Bev Bafus
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:03 PM
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Respect Vision 2020 Posters by havingconversations only you want to engage in?
http://vision2020.moscow.com/mission.asp
Please read the link above.
Thank you
Bev
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com ]On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 4:33 PM
To: ' Warren Hayman '; 'Chasuk'; B. J. Swanson
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Respect Vision 2020 Posters by having conversations only you want to engage in?
Seems like an odd request. Sorry I lost my copy of the list of every approved topic 98% of the people on Vision 2020 want to engage in. So, I am simply going to request you click the delete button if you don't want to read or participate in the discussion.
Best Regards,
Donovan
--- On Mon, 6/16/08, B. J. Swanson <bjswan at moscow.com> wrote:
From: B. J. Swanson <bjswan at moscow.com>
Subject: Respect Vision 2020 as a COMMUNITY Listserve
To: "' Warren Hayman '" <whayman at roadrunner.com>, "'Chasuk'" <chasuk at gmail.com>, donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 7:36 AM
Warren, I'm not offended and couldn't agree more. Thank you for saying it.I'm sure98% of the other Vision 2020 lurkers agree with you. Can we all be courteous and limit posts to 3 per day? This would certainlyalleviate the ad nauseum posting about GITMO, Interfaith, Mexican Consulate,Everyone Deserves Death and on and on.... Can we treat Vision 2020 as a"Community" listserve and not as a personal blog for just a few. Ifyouwant to continue these unwinnable arguments, how about taking them offVision 2020? B. J. Swanson
-------------- -----Original Message-----From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
vision2020-bounces at moscow.com ]On Behalf Of Warren HaymanSent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:48 PMTo: Chasuk; donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.comCc: vision2020 at moscow.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention Hello All, Am I the only one wondering how much of this discussion could occur off-list? Sorry to any offended by the question, Warren Hayman
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