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<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2>Hello again All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2>Now that two dogs are not vying for
the attention of my hands and causing an inadvertent "send" click, let me
begin again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2>My concern was neither the content
nor context of postings. Rather, the sheer volume of what amounts to a couple of
people texting each other multiple times quickly, and thus, from my perspective,
cluttering the inboxes of hundreds in what seems to be minute elaborations of
grammatical tropes, perspectives, and one-upmanship. Some of the posts make even
Achilles and Agamemnon at the beginning of the <EM>Iliad</EM> appear
rational.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2>Supreme Court rulings, for example,
have cogency, coherency, and relevance even here in Moscow. I would hesitate to
call any one topic unimportant or irrevelant, and enjoy the opportunity to learn
from all of them. I don't learn much at all from two or three folks engaging in
vitriol-- take it off-list, maybe? Talk it out at a downtown venue? Or at least
give it a day to reflect prior to reply. This may have been the operant mindset
within Ms. Swanson's <EM>ad nauseum</EM> phrase earlier today-- not the topoi
themselves, but the iteration and reiteration of minutiae directed toward not
all, but only one or two others at most.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2>I'm not trying to advocate censorship
here. Rather, I ask for the simple consideration of all of the others entangled
within the thread by proxy of the listserve itself. Think twice before posting,
and consider the entirety of the audience?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2>Says the guy who hit the send button
by mistake,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2>Warren Hayman</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=whayman@roadrunner.com href="mailto:whayman@roadrunner.com">Warren
Hayman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A> ;
<A title=bevbafus@verizon.net href="mailto:bevbafus@verizon.net">'Bev
Bafus'</A> ; <A title=kfreitag@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:kfreitag@roadrunner.com">kfreitag@roadrunner.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 16, 2008 8:14 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Respect Vision
2020 Posters by havingconversationsonly you want to engage in?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2>Hello All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2>I fear I might have had a hand in
this evolving thread. Accordingly, please allow me to clarify/extend my post
of yesterday.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=bevbafus@verizon.net
href="mailto:bevbafus@verizon.net">'Bev Bafus'</A> ; <A
title=kfreitag@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:kfreitag@roadrunner.com">kfreitag@roadrunner.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 16, 2008 7:42
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Respect
Vision 2020 Posters by havingconversations only you want to engage in?</DIV>
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<P>Perhaps some people would like to advocate for a new
committee to be created to moderate the list serve and to
establish what is acceptable and relevant content to the original 1995
Vision 2020 Mission Statement. Give them the right to delete anything
they disagree with, pick and choose who gets to participate, and under
what conditions. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>I personally consider how we treat our soldiers and terrorists
relevant. As Moscow does have residents in war. We have an ROTC
program here. And Moscow also cares about civil rights, and the how it
impacts our community. We are as much a part of the US community as
any other city in America. I don't believe our topics should be
limited to the city code of fines for dog poo on sidewalks and
what days we can water our lawn, or what kind of pies will be at the
Farmer's Market. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>I certainly find this conversation more relevant to our
community over that bashing Doug Wilson every day like this
forum did for about five years.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Best Regards,</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Donovan</P>
<P><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 6/16/08, Kris Freitag
<I><kfreitag@roadrunner.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></P>
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Kris <SPAN><SPAN>Freitag</SPAN></SPAN>
<kfreitag@roadrunner.com><BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Respect
Vision 2020 Posters by having conversations only you want to engage
in?<BR>To: "'<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>Bev</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
Bafus'" <bevbafus@verizon.net>,
donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date:
Monday, June 16, 2008, 6:54 PM<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bev,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Such
graciousness is not often encountered on vision 2020. It is too bad
that some people think so much of themselves that they have hijacked
this public service to stroke their egos. The problem with my delete
button is that it is hard to find because the print is worn off
because of overuse. I really object to the 5 minutes it takes to
download all those messages I donąt want, to get to the few that
keep me informed as to what is going on in the
community.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Kris</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bev
Bafus<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday,
June 16, 2008 6:03 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B>
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Vision2020]
Respect Vision 2020 Posters by havingconversations only you want to
engage in?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://vision2020.moscow.com/mission.asp" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://vision2020.moscow.com/mission.asp</A></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Please read
the link above.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thank
you</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bev</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com ]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Donovan
Arnold<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Monday, June 16, 2008 4:33 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ' Warren Hayman ';
'Chasuk'; B. J. Swanson<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B>
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Vision2020] Respect
Vision 2020 Posters by having conversations only you want to
engage in?</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Seems
like an odd request. <IMG id=_x0000_i1025 height=18
src="http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/33.gif"
width=18 border=0> Sorry I lost my copy of
the list of every approved topic 98% of the people on
Vision 2020 want to engage in. So, I am simply going to
request you click the delete button if you don't want to
read or participate in the discussion. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Best
Regards,</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Donovan<BR><BR>---
On <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Mon, 6/16/08, B. J.
Swanson <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><bjswan@moscow.com></SPAN></I></SPAN></B>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:
B. J. Swanson <bjswan@moscow.com><BR>Subject:
Respect Vision 2020 as a COMMUNITY Listserve<BR>To: "'
Warren Hayman '" <whayman@roadrunner.com>,
"'Chasuk'" <chasuk@gmail.com>,
donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>Cc:
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 7:36
AM</SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Warren</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">,</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">I'm not offended and couldn't agree more. Thank you for saying it.</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">I'm sure</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">98% of the other Vision 2020 lurkers agree with you. </SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Can we all be courteous and limit posts to 3 per day? This would certainly</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">alleviate the ad nauseum posting about GITMO, Interfaith, Mexican Consulate,</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Everyone Deserves Death and on and on.... Can we treat Vision 2020 as a</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">"Community" listserve and not as a personal blog for just a few. If</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">you</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">want to continue these unwinnable arguments, how about taking them off</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Vision 2020?</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">B. J. Swanson</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">
</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">-------------- </SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">-----Original Message-----</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com ]</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">On Behalf Of Warren Hayman</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:48 PM</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">To: Chasuk; donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Cc: vision2020@moscow.com</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Hello All,</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Am I the only one wondering how much of this discussion could occur </SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">off-list?</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Sorry to any offended by the question,</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Warren Hayman</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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