[Vision2020] GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Mon Jun 16 17:24:22 PDT 2008
Humm, I would have expected someone who was in the military to know better than to say this false statement:
"They only way a person becomes a prisoner of war is being apprehended
during a declared war. You cannot simply apply the POW tag at a whim when
it is to your liking." Tom Hansen.
This is not correct. Vietnam had POWs, and it was not a declared war, is was a military conflict. A declared war must be declared by the United States Congress, not the President. The last US Declared War was WWII.
Best Regards,
Donovan
--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention
To: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>, the_ivies3 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 3:18 PM
Roger -
They only way a person becomes a prisoner of war is being apprehended
during a declared war. You cannot simply apply the POW tag at a whim when
it is to your liking.
I do not recall any declared war. Unless you consider Bush's GWOT (Global
War On Terror) to be an official sanctioned, declared war, which (for
obvious reasons) fails the litmus test.
Another thing: These detainees were never considered to be prisoners of
war. If they are, in fact, POWs, President Bush, former Secretary of
Defense Rumsfeld, and a whole slew of "interrogators" should be
brought
before a military tribunal for crimes against humanity; remember "water
boarding" among other applied forms of torture clearly delineated in Army
regulations as violations of the Geneva and Hague Conventions.
This isn't simply my opinion, Roger. This is straight facts. If you
would like, I will spend the next few days outlining these violations,
specification by specification, and how they clearly violate the
aforementioned conventions.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
> Tom and Liz
> Regardless of the semantics on a declaration of war, If they were
captured during a
battle, they should be considered prisoners of war. To release them and
sent them home,
the take home message to our solders is- Take no prisoners.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Tom Ivie the_ivies3 at yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:24:45 -0700
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GITMO Detainees�Can Challenge Detention
>
> > This was the topic of a family discussion this weekend. One argument
I
heard was that
you have to define "war" in the Constitution. The argument was that
the
Constitution
refers to war between the U.S. and another country, not individuals and
not groups. Though
I haven't verified this by any means. The family member went on to say
that the U.S. never
went to war with Afghanistan. Afghanistan is where many of the
detainees�were captured.
If this is the case, are they really prisoners of war?
> >
> > Tom & Liz Ivie
> >
> > --- On Mon, 6/16/08, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> > From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention
> > To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>,
"Chasuk"
<chasuk at gmail.com>
> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 3:09 PM
> >
> > Most of these people were captured on the battlefield and a more
appropriately
> > should be treated as prisoners of war. This is entirety different
from
criminal
> > offenses that occur within the US. No nation that I know of has
released
> > prisoners of war while the war is in progress. If any of theses
detainee are US
> > citizens and were aressed within the US, they might legitimately be
subject to
> > the US judical system.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:02:36 -0700
> > To: Chasuk chasuk at gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GITMO Detainees Can Challenge Detention
> >
> > > Chas,
> > >
> > > They were not deprived of due process of law. They were tried,
and
found
> > guilty before they are sent and locked up in Gitmo. The reason they
are not
> > tried in American Civilian Courts is because they are not US Citizens
and
> > because if they were it would expose US classified information which
would put
> > US soldiers and possibly civilians at risk.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Donovan
> > >
> > > Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 18:59, Donovan Arnold
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Maybe we should create an "Adopt a Detainee"
program. Those
> > that think they
> > > > are innocent detainees can line up and open their homes to
people
> > considered
> > > > to be unfairly detained at Gitmo. If they really believe
that these
> > people
> > > > are innocent, and they are released, it would be unfair to
send
them
> > back to
> > > > their home country to be killed, right?
> > >
> > > I don't have any opinion as to the guilt or innocence of the
Gitmo
> > > detainees, so I won't be inviting them into my house, thank
you.
> > > However, that doesn't mean that I believe they should have
been
> > > deprived of the due process of law, which is the real subject
here.
> > >
> > > Chas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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