[Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest Challenges

Wed Jun 4 07:45:53 PDT 2008

Thank you, Keely.  Your response sounds more in line with my limited knowledge of the Catholic faith.   Over the years I, too, have known Catholics that have looked to other denominations, hoping that God would be more understanding than their parish priest.

"Wiggle room" was probably not the best choice of words, but. . . .heck. . . it's Ellen, you know, and sometimes things just slip out and I say it like I see it.

This will be my last post on this subject, however, because I do not wish to be dragged into a religious debate. . . especially with someone I feel is a fraud.   I have noticed a change in spelling, grammer, punctuation and cadence in the contributions of "Donovan" since last summer.  I think I was among the first to notice this change because I called him on it, telling him to "fess up" sometime last year.  And after the barrage last month, I am even more firmly convinced. . . this is not "Donovan".

Ellen A. Roskovich

From: kjajmix1 at msn.comTo: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; gussie443 at hotmail.com; ttrail at moscow.com; vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.netSubject: RE: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest ChallengesDate: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:47:21 -0700

Of  course, one of the "dogmas" of the Roman Catholic Church is belief in papal infallibility, and that infallible Pope sets out doctrine for the faithful, who then must, to honor Catholic "dogma" -- let's call it doctrinal tradition -- abide by his pronouncements.  I don't question that most do not, but it's incorrect to say that in matters of church teaching, the Pope considers dissenters from his revealed doctrine to be faithful Catholics.  God is probably more flexible, but the Catholic church claims its origin to the Apostle Peter, the "rock" on whom Christ built his church, and what Yahweh likely allows is often prohibited by the Pope.  Catholics may do well to abide by Spirit-guided conscience, but the individual communicant has to decide if she can reconcile being a faithful Christian with complete adherence to Papal authority.  I couldn't, which is why I left the Roman Catholic Church 27 years ago.  I know many, many sincere Christians who are practicing Roman Catholics, but I believed then, and do now, that I could not be.Keely

Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:57:38 -0700From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.comTo: gussie443 at hotmail.com; ttrail at moscow.com; vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.netSubject: Re: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest Challenges
Ellen,

Most Catholics in the United States believe in birth control. Second, where did you hear that there is no "wiggle" room in having to believe everything the Pope says and still be Catholic?

I know of no Catholics that believe everything the Catholic Church preaches, including nuns and priests? The only thing Catholics are required to believe is the Dogma of the Church. 

Best Regards,

DonovanEllen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com> wrote:

I thought the real Donovan Arnold was Catholic and there's no wiggle room to even question their teachings. Ellen A. Roskovich

Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:08:26 -0700From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.comTo: ttrail at moscow.com; vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.netSubject: Re: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest Challenges
Rep. Trail,

Has anyone suggested teaching people living in third world countries that most of their starvation and malnutrition problems would go away if they would not be popping out 8 babies a piece?

What the world needs is more birth control and education not to have more children they cannot afford to raise.

Best Regards,

DonovanTom Trail <ttrail at moscow.com> wrote:

Visionaires:

Economists recently met in Denmark and ranked the world's greatest challenges.
Malnutrition and health problems dominated the top ratings.

Tom Trail

How to save the world: the verdicts are in from the experts and our readers
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4033472.ece
>From Times Online
May 30, 2008

Spending £30 billion
Economists battle it out to rank possible solutions for the great challenges in global stability and security

Copenhagen Consensus: the panel's verdict
1 Micronutrient supplements for children (vitamin A and zinc) Malnutrition
2 The Doha development agenda Trade
3 Micronutrient fortification (iron and salt iodization) Malnutrition
4 Expanded immunization coverage for children Diseases
5 Biofortification Malnutrition
6 Deworming and other nutrition programs at school Malnutrition & Education
7 Lowering the price of schooling Education
8 Increase and improve girls' schooling Women
9 Community-based nutrition promotion Malnutrition
10 Provide support for women's reproductive role Women
11 Heart attack acute management Diseases
12 Malaria prevention and treatment Diseases
13 Tuberculosis case finding and treatment Diseases
14 R&D in low-carbon energy technologies Global Warming
15 Bio-sand filters for household water treatment Water
16 Rural water supply Water
17 Conditional cash transfers Education
18 Peace-keeping in post-conflict situations Conflicts
19 HIV combination prevention Diseases
20 Total sanitation campaign Water
21 Improving surgical capacity at district hospital level Diseases
22 Microfinance Women
23 Improved stove intervention Air Pollution
24 Large, multipurpose dam in Africa Water
25 Inspection and maintenance of diesel vehicles Air Pollution
26 Low sulfur diesel for urban road vehicles Air Pollution
27 Diesel vehicle particulate control technology Air Pollution
28 Tobacco tax Diseases
29 R&D and mitigation Global Warming
30 Mitigation only Global Warming

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