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<STRONG>Thank you, Keely. Your response sounds more in line with my limited knowledge of the Catholic faith. Over the years I, too, have known Catholics that have looked to other denominations, hoping that God would be more understanding than their parish priest.</STRONG><BR>
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<STRONG>"Wiggle room" was probably not the best choice of words, but. . . .heck. . . it's Ellen, you know, and sometimes things just slip out and I say it like I see it.</STRONG><BR>
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<STRONG>This will be my last post on this subject, however, because I do not wish to be dragged into a religious debate. . . especially with someone I feel is a fraud. I have noticed a change in spelling, grammer, punctuation and cadence in the contributions of "Donovan" since last summer. I think I was among the first to notice this change because I called him on it, telling him to "fess up" sometime last year. And after the barrage</STRONG> <STRONG>last month, I am even more firmly convinced. . . this is not "Donovan".</STRONG><BR>
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From: kjajmix1@msn.com<BR>To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com; gussie443@hotmail.com; ttrail@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest Challenges<BR>Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:47:21 -0700<BR><BR>
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Of course, one of the "dogmas" of the Roman Catholic Church is belief in papal infallibility, and that infallible Pope sets out doctrine for the faithful, who then must, to honor Catholic "dogma" -- let's call it doctrinal tradition -- abide by his pronouncements. I don't question that most do not, but it's incorrect to say that in matters of church teaching, the Pope considers dissenters from his revealed doctrine to be faithful Catholics. <BR><BR>God is probably more flexible, but the Catholic church claims its origin to the Apostle Peter, the "rock" on whom Christ built his church, and what Yahweh likely allows is often prohibited by the Pope. Catholics may do well to abide by Spirit-guided conscience, but the individual communicant has to decide if she can reconcile being a faithful Christian with complete adherence to Papal authority. I couldn't, which is why I left the Roman Catholic Church 27 years ago. I know many, many sincere Christians who are practicing Roman Catholics, but I believed then, and do now, that I could not be.<BR><BR>Keely<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:57:38 -0700<BR>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>To: gussie443@hotmail.com; ttrail@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest Challenges<BR><BR>
<DIV>Ellen,</DIV>
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<DIV>Most Catholics in the United States believe in birth control. Second, where did you hear that there is no "wiggle" room in having to believe everything the Pope says and still be Catholic?</DIV>
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<DIV>I know of no Catholics that believe everything the Catholic Church preaches, including nuns and priests? The only thing Catholics are required to believe is the Dogma of the Church. </DIV>
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<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Ellen Roskovich <gussie443@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<STRONG>I thought the real Donovan Arnold was Catholic and there's no wiggle room to even question their teachings.</STRONG><BR><STRONG></STRONG> <BR><STRONG>Ellen A. Roskovich</STRONG><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:08:26 -0700<BR>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>To: ttrail@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest Challenges<BR><BR>
<DIV>Rep. Trail,</DIV>
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<DIV>Has anyone suggested teaching people living in third world countries that most of their starvation and malnutrition problems would go away if they would not be popping out 8 babies a piece?</DIV>
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<DIV>What the world needs is more birth control and education not to have more children they cannot afford to raise.</DIV>
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<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Tom Trail <ttrail@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>Economists recently met in Denmark and ranked the world's greatest challenges.</DIV>
<DIV>Malnutrition and health problems dominated the top ratings.</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">How to save the world: the verdicts are in from the experts and our readers</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=""><A href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4033472.ece" target=_blank>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4033472.ece</A></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">From Times Online</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">May 30, 2008</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite=""><A href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4033272.ece" target=_blank><FONT size=+2><B>Spending £30 billion</B></FONT></A><BR><FONT size=+2><B></B></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">Economists battle it out to rank possible solutions for the great challenges in global stability and security</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite=""><FONT size=+3><B>Copenhagen Consensus: the panel's verdict</B></FONT><BR><FONT size=+3><B></B></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">1<B> Micronutrient supplements for children (vitamin A and zinc)</B> Malnutrition</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">2<B> The Doha development agenda</B> Trade</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">3<B> Micronutrient fortification (iron and salt iodization)</B> Malnutrition</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">4<B> Expanded immunization coverage for children</B> Diseases</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">5<B> Biofortification</B> Malnutrition</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">6<B> Deworming and other nutrition programs at school</B> Malnutrition & Education</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">7<B> Lowering the price of schooling</B> Education</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">8<B> Increase and improve girls' schooling</B> Women</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">9<B> Community-based nutrition promotion</B> Malnutrition</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">10<B> Provide support for women's reproductive role</B> Women</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">11<B> Heart attack acute management</B> Diseases</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">12<B> Malaria prevention and treatment</B> Diseases</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">13<B> Tuberculosis case finding and treatment</B> Diseases</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">14<B> R&D in low-carbon energy technologies</B> Global Warming</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">15<B> Bio-sand filters for household water treatment</B> Water</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">16<B> Rural water supply</B> Water</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">17<B> Conditional cash transfers</B> Education</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">18<B> Peace-keeping in post-conflict situations</B> Conflicts</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">19<B> HIV combination prevention</B> Diseases</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">20<B> Total sanitation campaign</B> Water</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">21<B> Improving surgical capacity at district hospital level</B> Diseases</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">22<B> Microfinance</B> Women</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">23<B> Improved stove intervention</B> Air Pollution</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">24<B> Large, multipurpose dam in Africa</B> Water</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">25<B> Inspection and maintenance of diesel vehicles</B> Air Pollution</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">26<B> Low sulfur diesel for urban road vehicles</B> Air Pollution</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">27<B> Diesel vehicle particulate control technology</B> Air Pollution</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">28<B> Tobacco tax</B> Diseases</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">29<B> R&D and mitigation</B> Global Warming</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="">30<B> Mitigation only</B> Global Warming</BLOCKQUOTE>
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