[Vision2020] 935 False Statements Made Before War

Sat Jan 26 13:47:09 PST 2008

What nonsense.  Even if people believed this stuff before the inspectors went in, once their work showed there were no weapons, there was no need to invade when we did.  If that was the real concern, Bush and Cheney could have waited.

They did not wait because it didn't matter to them.  They wanted this war and they got it.  

Sunil

> To: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net
> From: pkraut at moscow.com
> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:59:07 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 935 False Statements Made Before War
> 
> For 8 years Clintons and other dems said the WMD's were there. For years 
> Saddam said they were there and we had no reason to doubt him. They could 
> be in Syria. Or Eygypt. Or Saudia. They could still be in Iraq...but we 
> had every reason to believe they were there. Especially since our two 
> term president kept saying it (and his wife and friends). To say it is 
> Bush's lie is just ignorance!
> 
> 
> 
> > It's interesting to note how the democratic politicians and the liberal 
> news
> > media maintain they were continuously "deceived" by the pack of lying
> > intelligence community with respect to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and
> > WMDs.  However, when presented with "facts" that Iran has no nuclear 
> program
> > posing a threat to the US, Israel or the rest of the free world, the
> > intelligence community is now lauded by these same politicians and 
> media as
> > the greatest fact finders and heros of the day.  Why am I not surprised.
> > 
> > Of course nobody found WMD's.  Imagine my house is Iraq, and as a sneaky
> > "recovering" alcoholic, my bottle of vodka is a WMD.  Even given the 
> limited
> > scale of contraband to hiding places, I can assure you I can hide it 
> such
> > that you would never find it.  Now consider the enormity of Iran and 
> small
> > WMD.  You seriously believe that anyone much less the inept UN would be 
> able
> > to find anything??  Particularly if there is a strong incentive to keep 
> it
> > hidden?  Particularly when they cannot search schools, hospitals, or
> > religious houses of worship?? GMAFB.
> > 
> > And Ms Mix . . . I think Ms Mix is truly Mix-ed Up if she believes the
> > administration could keep selective information from the media, other
> > politicians and the public in general.  And thank you for your well 
> wishes.
> > Your continuously snide, derogatory comments to everyone you dislike 
> never
> > ceases to amaze me.  And you have the gall to call anyone else on it.  I
> > remain astounded at how you can call yourself a Christian when you
> > constantly demonstrate the most un-Christian-like attitude of all the
> > Christians (and many heathens) I know . . .
> > 
> > Cheers GS
> > 
> > GS
> > 
> > On 1/25/08, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have always believed that Saddam Hussein had WMDs because Reagan and
> > > Bush gave them to him in the 1980s.
> > >
> > > Why are we acting surprised at Bush's deception of those foolish 
> enough to
> > > believe him? It is easy to tell is a politician is lying, their lips 
> move.
> > >
> > > I want to know which of the current candidates that are running tell 
> the
> > > least number of lies.
> > >
> > > Bush is a lame duck. Let's focus on prevention of corruption in the
> > > future, not on the corruption of the current administration.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Donovan
> > >
> > > *Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>* wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > All-
> > >
> > > Many people were deceived by the coordinated effort to hype Iraq's WMD
> > > capability in the late 1990s up to the 2003 invasion.  And it seemed 
> many
> > > forgot that the US supported Iraq's weapons programs with aid, during 
> the
> > > Reagan administration (why Reagan is such a huge hero I can't fathom, 
> given
> > > his involvement with the US Constitution violating Iran/Contra 
> scandal, aid
> > > to Saddam, support for Central American death squad dictators, and ill
> > > advised support for the Taliban in Afghanistan, the 
> mujahideen 'freedom
> > > fighters,' and other black marks).
> > >
> > > Former Bush administration Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld shook
> > > hands with Saddam Hussein in 1983 when he served in the Reagan
> > > administration:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm<http://www.gwu.edu/
> %7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm>
> 
> > >
> > > http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092002.html
> > >
> > > But being ill informed or deceived about Iraq's WMD program and ties 
> to Al
> > > Qaeda is one thing.  Cheney, Bush and others in the Bush
> > > administration, using the power of the executive branch, deliberately
> > > deceived the US public in hyping this danger, to justify an invasion 
> and
> > > occupation of another nation by the US military, killing, given a
> > > conservative estimate, over 100,000 civilians, with over a million 
> Iraqis
> > > now refuges or internally displaced (one reason the level of violence 
> is
> > > down, with neighborhoods now ethnically cleansed into exclusive Sunni 
> or
> > > Shite areas, as hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have fled for their
> > > lives).  This is an impeachable offence, linked to the commission of 
> war
> > > crimes, especially with the justifications and commission of torture, 
> Abu
> > > Ghraib prison horrors, etc.
> > >
> > > The media, the vaunted Fourth Estate, along with the US Congress, 
> failed
> > > utterly to expose the fabrications (yellow cake uranium from Niger),
> > > distortions (Iraq with ties to Al Queda and links to 9/11), and well 
> known
> > > falsehoods (false claim Iraq had obtained centrifuge tubes for nuclear
> > > material processing), in the run up to the invasion.  Even former 
> Secretary
> > > of State Colin Powell has admitted he presented erroneous information 
> to the
> > > UN in his presentation before the US invasion regarding Iraq WMD 
> capability:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?
> res=9C0CE3D9143FF934A25756C0A9629C8B63
> > >
> > > Pakistan's nuclear weapons are more of a threat to world security, it 
> can
> > > be argued, than Saddam's WMDs ever were, given Pakistan has Islamic
> > > militants operating inside its borders, with sympathizers in the 
> Pakistan
> > > military, who once supported the Taliban in Afghanistan.  Amazing 
> that a
> > > government with known ties to the Taliban and Al Qaeda, with Bin Laden
> > > suspected to be in hiding near or within its borders, is a US alley
> > > receiving millions in US military aid, while Saddam had no 
> substantial ties
> > > to the Bin Laden/9/11 Islamic militants.
> > >
> > > There are serious questions regarding why the US shifted the focus 
> away
> > > from catching Bin Laden in the Afghanistan/Pakistan border area after 
> the
> > > post 9/11 invasion of Afghanistan, while pushing for the invasion of 
> Iraq
> > > with a demonization of Saddam as a threat to US national security.   
> And
> > > that the US public did not question this refocus of our military, 
> when the
> > > job of catching Bin Laden was left undone, suggests a disturbing
> > > susceptibility to simple minded sound bite scare tactic propaganda 
> coupled
> > > with a very short attention span.
> > >
> > > Ted Moffett
> > >
> > > On 1/24/08, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Glenn--
> > > >
> > > > (1) Whose false statements did Kerry rely on in coming to the
> > > > conclusion that Hussein presented a "particularly grievous threat?"
> > > >
> > > > (2) What was the result of Clinton's Iraq policy, including threats 
> of
> > > > force? Was it (a) an active WMD program, or (b) an inactive WMD
> > > > program?
> > > >
> > > > -- ACS
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