[Vision2020] Black History Month

Sun Jan 20 11:15:22 PST 2008

Paul,

  Legislation is not the problem. Laws can be ignored.

  What has to change is public opinion. The best way to do that is through public education efforts. 

  Best,

  Donovan

Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
  I think these __________ History Months have arisen
because they are a good way to show that we know and
allegedly care about the problem without having to
actually *do* anything about it.

It would be better if we celebrated ________ History
Month by passing legislation aimed at correcting past
injustices than to simply have a lecture series or
watch a movie about the problem again, or whatever.

Paul

--- deb wrote:

> Great Goddess, I think Donovan may have "got it". 
> Indeed, it is a cultural referent to do "history"
> months for under-represented groups. It helps us all
> feel better about inequity if we can clebrate
> difference. The truth is, we (the dominate group of
> white folks who run this country) have "done wrong"
> during the entire history of the US---and we
> continue to do so. Check out the status of women re:
> wages--it has actually fallen in the last ten years.
> Check out the status of African-American health
> services, incarceration rates, and upwardly mobile
> employment rates. Look at the death rates of Latinos
> compared to Caucasians in the 15 to 25 age range.
> Google the number of rapes per capita on Native
> Reservations (along with who commits these crimes). 
> And just for stuff and giggles, look at the
> difference in sentencing for equal level crimes
> committed by men and women, Blacks compared to
> Whites, "crack" compared to "coke", white
> supremisists compared to Latino and Black gangs who
> commit crimes.....and the list goes on..... 
> 
> We have come a long way, but we are now saying the
> problems of race/gender relations don't exist. The
> facts refute that "common knowledge". We are better
> on paper, better legally, better in the laws we
> enact. But as humans, we have not evovled....Do
> Something!!! Get Involved~~~~
> 
> Debi R-S
> (sorry about spelling errors, my spell check didn't
> get installed on the new system, and I am just too
> flipping tired to check it myself...tek has spoiled
> me!)
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Donovan Arnold 
> To: keely emerinemix ; g. crabtree ; Paul
> Rumelhart ; lfalen ; Matt Decker ;
> vision2020 at moscow.com 
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
> 
> 
> I think the main reason we need to have a Black
> History Month, an American Indian Month and Women
> History Month is an attempt to recognize that
> society did them wrong. Yes, other races, creeds,
> religions, and people were tortured and harassed
> greatly. But not on the scale and for the centuries
> as Blacks, Indians, and Women in this country. 
> 
> Enslaving an entire race and treating them like
> property is a great atrocity. Slaughtering a race
> and stealing their land and resources is a great
> atrocity. Beating women, subjugating them to rape,
> physical abuse, and denial of basic human rights is
> an atrocity. So we, as idiotic flawed humans wanting
> to live in a civilized egalitarian society, need to
> be reminded annually about what was done in our
> nation's past and continues elsewhere in world, so
> that we never repeat those same atrocities human
> society is so able and willing to commit again. 
> 
> I personally believe that slavery of a race,
> derogation of certain peoples, and the stealing of
> resources of American Indians is still alive and
> well in this country. 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Donovan
> 
> keely emerinemix wrote:
> I'm far more concerned about the violence done
> to and the oppression suffered by indigenous peoples
> than by the fact that it didn't violate any
> established legal code. Most decent people don't
> have to review federal or municipal law to determine
> that certain actions are wrong, particularly when
> those actions are done in the name of God.
> 
> Keely
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> > To: godshatter at yahoo.com; lfalen at turbonet.com;
> mattd2107 at hotmail.com; privatejf32 at hotmail.com;
> thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:08:58 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
> > 
> > Not to put too sharp a point on things but,
> for something to have been 
> > illegal there would have had to have been a
> law against it in the first 
> > place. There was not. When Europeans arrived
> and commenced to settling this 
> > country the indigs had no written language or
> concept of property much less 
> > of sovereign country. To have asked for a by
> your leave would have been 
> > similar to asking herring for permission to
> swim in their ocean. To make the 
> > claim that we came here illegally is
> insupportable.
> > 
> > g
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Paul Rumelhart" 
> > To: "lfalen" ; "Matt
> Decker" ; 
> > "J Ford" 
; "Tom
> Hansen" ; 
> > 
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
> > 
> > 
> > When you get right down to it, you could say
> that this
> > nation was founded on the backs of illegal
> immigrants.
> > Unless the colonists applied for VISAs from
> the
> > natives, they were there illegally. To harp
> about the
> > distinction now seems hypocritical.
> > 
> > I'm not a big fan of having these PC "Months",
> mainly
> > because of the reasons stated. Why single out
> one
> > group? It becomes a contest to see which one
> has the
> > most political clout at any one time. I like
> the idea
> > of an "American History Month", one devoted to
> all
> > aspects of American History.
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> > --- lfalen wrote:
> > 
> > > Good point Matt
> > >
> > > Roger
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: Matt Decker mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:12:12 -0800
> > > To: J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com, Tom
> Hansen
> > > thansen at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History
> Month
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree. We should acknowledge all who
> have made
> > > this a great country. We not only should
> have a
> > > Native American history month, but also
> Irish
> > > > American, Chinese American, Italian
> American,
> > > Japanese American, Arab American, German
> American,
> > > Mexican American, Italian American, and
> months for
> > > all the races that have brought this nation
> to what
> > > it is.
> > > >
> > > > Or we could role it all into one big fun
> month. We
> > > could call it American history month. One
> that
> > > strives to acknowledge all races and what
> they have
> > > done to make the United States the best
> place to
> > > live. This land was built on legal
> immigrants, all
> > > of which should be recognized.
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> > > > To: thansen at moscow.com;
> vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:03:26 -0800
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History
> Month
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> 
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