<DIV>Paul,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Legislation is not the problem. Laws can be ignored.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What has to change is public opinion. The best way to do that is through public education efforts. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><B><I>Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I think these __________ History Months have arisen<BR>because they are a good way to show that we know and<BR>allegedly care about the problem without having to<BR>actually *do* anything about it.<BR><BR>It would be better if we celebrated ________ History<BR>Month by passing legislation aimed at correcting past<BR>injustices than to simply have a lecture series or<BR>watch a movie about the problem again, or whatever.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>--- deb
<DEBISMITH@MOSCOW.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>> Great Goddess, I think Donovan may have "got it". <BR>> Indeed, it is a cultural referent to do "history"<BR>> months for under-represented groups. It helps us all<BR>> feel better about inequity if we can clebrate<BR>> difference. The truth is, we (the dominate group of<BR>> white folks who run this country) have "done wrong"<BR>> during the entire history of the US---and we<BR>> continue to do so. Check out the status of women re:<BR>> wages--it has actually fallen in the last ten years.<BR>> Check out the status of African-American health<BR>> services, incarceration rates, and upwardly mobile<BR>> employment rates. Look at the death rates of Latinos<BR>> compared to Caucasians in the 15 to 25 age range.<BR>> Google the number of rapes per capita on Native<BR>> Reservations (along with who commits these crimes). <BR>> And just for stuff and giggles, look at the<BR>> difference in
sentencing for equal level crimes<BR>> committed by men and women, Blacks compared to<BR>> Whites, "crack" compared to "coke", white<BR>> supremisists compared to Latino and Black gangs who<BR>> commit crimes.....and the list goes on..... <BR>> <BR>> We have come a long way, but we are now saying the<BR>> problems of race/gender relations don't exist. The<BR>> facts refute that "common knowledge". We are better<BR>> on paper, better legally, better in the laws we<BR>> enact. But as humans, we have not evovled....Do<BR>> Something!!! Get Involved~~~~<BR>> <BR>> Debi R-S<BR>> (sorry about spelling errors, my spell check didn't<BR>> get installed on the new system, and I am just too<BR>> flipping tired to check it myself...tek has spoiled<BR>> me!)<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Donovan Arnold <BR>> To: keely emerinemix ; g. crabtree ; Paul<BR>> Rumelhart ; lfalen ; Matt Decker ;<BR>>
vision2020@moscow.com <BR>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:46 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I think the main reason we need to have a Black<BR>> History Month, an American Indian Month and Women<BR>> History Month is an attempt to recognize that<BR>> society did them wrong. Yes, other races, creeds,<BR>> religions, and people were tortured and harassed<BR>> greatly. But not on the scale and for the centuries<BR>> as Blacks, Indians, and Women in this country. <BR>> <BR>> Enslaving an entire race and treating them like<BR>> property is a great atrocity. Slaughtering a race<BR>> and stealing their land and resources is a great<BR>> atrocity. Beating women, subjugating them to rape,<BR>> physical abuse, and denial of basic human rights is<BR>> an atrocity. So we, as idiotic flawed humans wanting<BR>> to live in a civilized egalitarian society, need to<BR>> be reminded
annually about what was done in our<BR>> nation's past and continues elsewhere in world, so<BR>> that we never repeat those same atrocities human<BR>> society is so able and willing to commit again. <BR>> <BR>> I personally believe that slavery of a race,<BR>> derogation of certain peoples, and the stealing of<BR>> resources of American Indians is still alive and<BR>> well in this country. <BR>> <BR>> Best Regards,<BR>> <BR>> Donovan<BR>> <BR>> keely emerinemix <KJAJMIX1@MSN.COM>wrote:<BR>> I'm far more concerned about the violence done<BR>> to and the oppression suffered by indigenous peoples<BR>> than by the fact that it didn't violate any<BR>> established legal code. Most decent people don't<BR>> have to review federal or municipal law to determine<BR>> that certain actions are wrong, particularly when<BR>> those actions are done in the name of God.<BR>> <BR>> Keely<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> > From: jampot@roadrunner.com<BR>> > To: godshatter@yahoo.com; lfalen@turbonet.com;<BR>> mattd2107@hotmail.com; privatejf32@hotmail.com;<BR>> thansen@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:08:58 -0800<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month<BR>> > <BR>> > Not to put too sharp a point on things but,<BR>> for something to have been <BR>> > illegal there would have had to have been a<BR>> law against it in the first <BR>> > place. There was not. When Europeans arrived<BR>> and commenced to settling this <BR>> > country the indigs had no written language or<BR>> concept of property much less <BR>> > of sovereign country. To have asked for a by<BR>> your leave would have been <BR>> > similar to asking herring for permission to<BR>> swim in their ocean. To make the <BR>> > claim that we came here illegally is<BR>>
insupportable.<BR>> > <BR>> > g<BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: "Paul Rumelhart" <GODSHATTER@YAHOO.COM><BR>> > To: "lfalen" <LFALEN@TURBONET.COM>; "Matt<BR>> Decker" <MATTD2107@HOTMAIL.COM>; <BR>> > "J Ford" <PRIVATEJF32@HOTMAIL.COM>; "Tom<BR>> Hansen" <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM>; <BR>> > <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:22 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > When you get right down to it, you could say<BR>> that this<BR>> > nation was founded on the backs of illegal<BR>> immigrants.<BR>> > Unless the colonists applied for VISAs from<BR>> the<BR>> > natives, they were there illegally. To harp<BR>> about the<BR>> > distinction now seems hypocritical.<BR>> > <BR>> > I'm not a big fan of having these PC "Months",<BR>> mainly<BR>> > because of the reasons
stated. Why single out<BR>> one<BR>> > group? It becomes a contest to see which one<BR>> has the<BR>> > most political clout at any one time. I like<BR>> the idea<BR>> > of an "American History Month", one devoted to<BR>> all<BR>> > aspects of American History.<BR>> > <BR>> > Paul<BR>> > <BR>> > --- lfalen <LFALEN@TURBONET.COM>wrote:<BR>> > <BR>> > > Good point Matt<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Roger<BR>> > > -----Original message-----<BR>> > > From: Matt Decker mattd2107@hotmail.com<BR>> > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:12:12 -0800<BR>> > > To: J Ford privatejf32@hotmail.com, Tom<BR>> Hansen<BR>> > > thansen@moscow.com, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History<BR>> Month<BR>> > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > I agree. We should acknowledge all who<BR>> have made<BR>> >
> this a great country. We not only should<BR>> have a<BR>> > > Native American history month, but also<BR>> Irish<BR>> > > > American, Chinese American, Italian<BR>> American,<BR>> > > Japanese American, Arab American, German<BR>> American,<BR>> > > Mexican American, Italian American, and<BR>> months for<BR>> > > all the races that have brought this nation<BR>> to what<BR>> > > it is.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Or we could role it all into one big fun<BR>> month. We<BR>> > > could call it American history month. One<BR>> that<BR>> > > strives to acknowledge all races and what<BR>> they have<BR>> > > done to make the United States the best<BR>> place to<BR>> > > live. This land was built on legal<BR>> immigrants, all<BR>> > > of which should be recognized.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Matt<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > From: privatejf32@hotmail.com<BR>> > > > To: thansen@moscow.com;<BR>> vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:03:26 -0800<BR>> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History<BR>> Month<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> <BR>=== message truncated ===><BR>=======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step<BR>> Internet, <BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> <BR>> http://www.fsr.net <BR>> <BR>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>><BR>=======================================================<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> 
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