[Vision2020] Black History Month
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 20 10:30:24 PST 2008
I think these __________ History Months have arisen
because they are a good way to show that we know and
allegedly care about the problem without having to
actually *do* anything about it.
It would be better if we celebrated ________ History
Month by passing legislation aimed at correcting past
injustices than to simply have a lecture series or
watch a movie about the problem again, or whatever.
Paul
--- deb <debismith at moscow.com> wrote:
> Great Goddess, I think Donovan may have "got it".
> Indeed, it is a cultural referent to do "history"
> months for under-represented groups. It helps us all
> feel better about inequity if we can clebrate
> difference. The truth is, we (the dominate group of
> white folks who run this country) have "done wrong"
> during the entire history of the US---and we
> continue to do so. Check out the status of women re:
> wages--it has actually fallen in the last ten years.
> Check out the status of African-American health
> services, incarceration rates, and upwardly mobile
> employment rates. Look at the death rates of Latinos
> compared to Caucasians in the 15 to 25 age range.
> Google the number of rapes per capita on Native
> Reservations (along with who commits these crimes).
> And just for stuff and giggles, look at the
> difference in sentencing for equal level crimes
> committed by men and women, Blacks compared to
> Whites, "crack" compared to "coke", white
> supremisists compared to Latino and Black gangs who
> commit crimes.....and the list goes on.....
>
> We have come a long way, but we are now saying the
> problems of race/gender relations don't exist. The
> facts refute that "common knowledge". We are better
> on paper, better legally, better in the laws we
> enact. But as humans, we have not evovled....Do
> Something!!! Get Involved~~~~
>
> Debi R-S
> (sorry about spelling errors, my spell check didn't
> get installed on the new system, and I am just too
> flipping tired to check it myself...tek has spoiled
> me!)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donovan Arnold
> To: keely emerinemix ; g. crabtree ; Paul
> Rumelhart ; lfalen ; Matt Decker ;
> vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
>
>
> I think the main reason we need to have a Black
> History Month, an American Indian Month and Women
> History Month is an attempt to recognize that
> society did them wrong. Yes, other races, creeds,
> religions, and people were tortured and harassed
> greatly. But not on the scale and for the centuries
> as Blacks, Indians, and Women in this country.
>
> Enslaving an entire race and treating them like
> property is a great atrocity. Slaughtering a race
> and stealing their land and resources is a great
> atrocity. Beating women, subjugating them to rape,
> physical abuse, and denial of basic human rights is
> an atrocity. So we, as idiotic flawed humans wanting
> to live in a civilized egalitarian society, need to
> be reminded annually about what was done in our
> nation's past and continues elsewhere in world, so
> that we never repeat those same atrocities human
> society is so able and willing to commit again.
>
> I personally believe that slavery of a race,
> derogation of certain peoples, and the stealing of
> resources of American Indians is still alive and
> well in this country.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> I'm far more concerned about the violence done
> to and the oppression suffered by indigenous peoples
> than by the fact that it didn't violate any
> established legal code. Most decent people don't
> have to review federal or municipal law to determine
> that certain actions are wrong, particularly when
> those actions are done in the name of God.
>
> Keely
>
>
>
>
> > From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> > To: godshatter at yahoo.com; lfalen at turbonet.com;
> mattd2107 at hotmail.com; privatejf32 at hotmail.com;
> thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:08:58 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
> >
> > Not to put too sharp a point on things but,
> for something to have been
> > illegal there would have had to have been a
> law against it in the first
> > place. There was not. When Europeans arrived
> and commenced to settling this
> > country the indigs had no written language or
> concept of property much less
> > of sovereign country. To have asked for a by
> your leave would have been
> > similar to asking herring for permission to
> swim in their ocean. To make the
> > claim that we came here illegally is
> insupportable.
> >
> > g
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> > To: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>; "Matt
> Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>;
> > "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>; "Tom
> Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>;
> > <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
> >
> >
> > When you get right down to it, you could say
> that this
> > nation was founded on the backs of illegal
> immigrants.
> > Unless the colonists applied for VISAs from
> the
> > natives, they were there illegally. To harp
> about the
> > distinction now seems hypocritical.
> >
> > I'm not a big fan of having these PC "Months",
> mainly
> > because of the reasons stated. Why single out
> one
> > group? It becomes a contest to see which one
> has the
> > most political clout at any one time. I like
> the idea
> > of an "American History Month", one devoted to
> all
> > aspects of American History.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --- lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Good point Matt
> > >
> > > Roger
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: Matt Decker mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:12:12 -0800
> > > To: J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com, Tom
> Hansen
> > > thansen at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History
> Month
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree. We should acknowledge all who
> have made
> > > this a great country. We not only should
> have a
> > > Native American history month, but also
> Irish
> > > > American, Chinese American, Italian
> American,
> > > Japanese American, Arab American, German
> American,
> > > Mexican American, Italian American, and
> months for
> > > all the races that have brought this nation
> to what
> > > it is.
> > > >
> > > > Or we could role it all into one big fun
> month. We
> > > could call it American history month. One
> that
> > > strives to acknowledge all races and what
> they have
> > > done to make the United States the best
> place to
> > > live. This land was built on legal
> immigrants, all
> > > of which should be recognized.
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> > > > To: thansen at moscow.com;
> vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:03:26 -0800
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History
> Month
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
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