[Vision2020] Black History Month
deb
debismith at moscow.com
Sun Jan 20 00:40:10 PST 2008
Great Goddess, I think Donovan may have "got it". Indeed, it is a cultural referent to do "history" months for under-represented groups. It helps us all feel better about inequity if we can clebrate difference. The truth is, we (the dominate group of white folks who run this country) have "done wrong" during the entire history of the US---and we continue to do so. Check out the status of women re: wages--it has actually fallen in the last ten years. Check out the status of African-American health services, incarceration rates, and upwardly mobile employment rates. Look at the death rates of Latinos compared to Caucasians in the 15 to 25 age range. Google the number of rapes per capita on Native Reservations (along with who commits these crimes). And just for stuff and giggles, look at the difference in sentencing for equal level crimes committed by men and women, Blacks compared to Whites, "crack" compared to "coke", white supremisists compared to Latino and Black gangs who commit crimes.....and the list goes on.....
We have come a long way, but we are now saying the problems of race/gender relations don't exist. The facts refute that "common knowledge". We are better on paper, better legally, better in the laws we enact. But as humans, we have not evovled....Do Something!!! Get Involved~~~~
Debi R-S
(sorry about spelling errors, my spell check didn't get installed on the new system, and I am just too flipping tired to check it myself...tek has spoiled me!)
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: keely emerinemix ; g. crabtree ; Paul Rumelhart ; lfalen ; Matt Decker ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
I think the main reason we need to have a Black History Month, an American Indian Month and Women History Month is an attempt to recognize that society did them wrong. Yes, other races, creeds, religions, and people were tortured and harassed greatly. But not on the scale and for the centuries as Blacks, Indians, and Women in this country.
Enslaving an entire race and treating them like property is a great atrocity. Slaughtering a race and stealing their land and resources is a great atrocity. Beating women, subjugating them to rape, physical abuse, and denial of basic human rights is an atrocity. So we, as idiotic flawed humans wanting to live in a civilized egalitarian society, need to be reminded annually about what was done in our nation's past and continues elsewhere in world, so that we never repeat those same atrocities human society is so able and willing to commit again.
I personally believe that slavery of a race, derogation of certain peoples, and the stealing of resources of American Indians is still alive and well in this country.
Best Regards,
Donovan
keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
I'm far more concerned about the violence done to and the oppression suffered by indigenous peoples than by the fact that it didn't violate any established legal code. Most decent people don't have to review federal or municipal law to determine that certain actions are wrong, particularly when those actions are done in the name of God.
Keely
> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> To: godshatter at yahoo.com; lfalen at turbonet.com; mattd2107 at hotmail.com; privatejf32 at hotmail.com; thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:08:58 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
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> Not to put too sharp a point on things but, for something to have been
> illegal there would have had to have been a law against it in the first
> place. There was not. When Europeans arrived and commenced to settling this
> country the indigs had no written language or concept of property much less
> of sovereign country. To have asked for a by your leave would have been
> similar to asking herring for permission to swim in their ocean. To make the
> claim that we came here illegally is insupportable.
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> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>; "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>;
> "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>; "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>;
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
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> When you get right down to it, you could say that this
> nation was founded on the backs of illegal immigrants.
> Unless the colonists applied for VISAs from the
> natives, they were there illegally. To harp about the
> distinction now seems hypocritical.
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> I'm not a big fan of having these PC "Months", mainly
> because of the reasons stated. Why single out one
> group? It becomes a contest to see which one has the
> most political clout at any one time. I like the idea
> of an "American History Month", one devoted to all
> aspects of American History.
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> Paul
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> --- lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
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> > Good point Matt
> >
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Matt Decker mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:12:12 -0800
> > To: J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com, Tom Hansen
> > thansen at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
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> > > I agree. We should acknowledge all who have made
> > this a great country. We not only should have a
> > Native American history month, but also Irish
> > > American, Chinese American, Italian American,
> > Japanese American, Arab American, German American,
> > Mexican American, Italian American, and months for
> > all the races that have brought this nation to what
> > it is.
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> > > Or we could role it all into one big fun month. We
> > could call it American history month. One that
> > strives to acknowledge all races and what they have
> > done to make the United States the best place to
> > live. This land was built on legal immigrants, all
> > of which should be recognized.
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> > > Matt
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> > > From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> > > To: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:03:26 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
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> > > Thank you! Just what I was trying to say - Black
> > History Month gets the publicity and the other
> > "minorities" just get a one-time notice and then
> > forgotten. Since this is a MAJOR part of our
> > population as well as a main group of our
> > developments, this is just sad!
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> > > J :]
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> > > From: thansen at moscow.com
> > > To: gussie443 at hotmail.com;
> > privatejf32 at hotmail.com; chasuk at gmail.com;
> > vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Black History Month
> > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:37:42 -0800
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> > > >From the Defense Department website at:
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> http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/nativeamerican01/proclamation.html
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> > > â?oNOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President
> > > of the United States of America,
> > > by virtue of the authority vested in me by the
> > Constitution and laws of the United States,
> > > do hereby proclaim November 2001 as National
> > American Indian Heritage Month. I
> > > call upon the people of the United
> > > States to observe this month with
> > > appropriate programs and activities.â?�
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> > > Although the verbiage of this proclamation
> > > does establish a National American Indian Heritage
> > Month, it appears to only do
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> > > Seeya round town, Moscow.
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> > > Tom Hansen
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> > > Moscow, Idaho
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> > > "If not us, who?
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> > > - Unknown
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> > > From:
> > > vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ellen
> > > Roskovich
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> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008
> > > 11:23 AM
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> > > To: J Ford; Chasuk;
> > > vision2020 at moscow.com
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> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black
> > > History Month
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> > > Chas
> > > says we've had Native American Indian Heritage
> > Month EVERY year since
> > > 1994. However, this is the first I've heard of
> > it. Of course that
> > > doesn't mean it hasn't happened every November. .
> > . it just means it isn't very
> > > high on people's priorities and that's too bad.
> > You'd think that in the
> > > past 17 years it would get a little publicity in
> > the media. Hopefully
> > > next November someone will remember.
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> > > Ellen A.
> > > Roskovich
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> > > From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com
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> > > To: chasuk at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
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