[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Iowa caucus stuff

J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Fri Jan 4 20:10:24 PST 2008


As one would have said in the '60's (or maybe the '70's) - RIGHT ON, BROTHER!!!!

(nailed that one solidly, you did.)

J  :]


> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:49:54 -0800
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: pkraut at moscow.com
> CC: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Bulk] Re:  Iowa caucus stuff
> 
> Pat,
> 
> You have my permission to live your life any God-damned way you want to.
> 
> Paul
> 
> pkraut at moscow.com wrote:
> > I soooo always apprciate someone who is not a Christian telling me how I 
> > should live it!!
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> >> What if he was destitute and unable to provide for his family, and 
> >>     
> > broke 
> >   
> >> into your house because your son was hiring him under the table to do 
> >> his chores for him?
> >>
> >> I think the un-Christian thing about this (from my admittedly 
> >> non-Christian perspective) is viewing these people as hardened 
> >>     
> > criminals 
> >   
> >> intent on taking our jobs away from us instead of people stuck between 
> >>     
> > a 
> >   
> >> rock and a hard place who have to find some way for their family to 
> >>     
> > survive.
> >   
> >> I'm no Bible scholar, but I do remember a lot of talk about poverty and 
> >> helping out your fellow man.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> g. crabtree wrote:
> >>     
> >>> It seems to me that your notion of the Gospel with regard to illegal 
> >>> aliens is flawed. Do you believe that should a thief break into your 
> >>> home it's your obligation to give him a hot meal and pay to have the 
> >>> hand he cut breaking your window stitched up? Maybe some dental care 
> >>> for him and his family while he's there? Heck as long as he's sitting 
> >>> on your sofa why not arrange for a little in state tuition at the 
> >>> local diploma mill and offer to pay expenses not covered by grants. 
> >>>       
> > By 
> >   
> >>> my reckoning it's not Christian charity if my compassion is forcibly 
> >>> extracted at the point of a gun, be it in the form of increased taxes 
> >>> by the government or an actual felon with a firearm. Charity should 
> >>>       
> > be 
> >   
> >>> an individual thing from the heart. Also, I'm no biblical scholar but 
> >>> I'm fairly sure that the Bible does not preclude a sovereign country 
> >>> having secure borders.
> >>>  
> >>> g
> >>>
> >>>     ----- Original Message -----
> >>>     *From:* keely emerinemix <mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> >>>     *To:* J Ford <mailto:privatejf32 at hotmail.com> ;
> >>>     vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>>     *Sent:* Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:06 PM
> >>>     *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
> >>>
> >>>     My point wasn't that doctrine has a place in a presidential
> >>>     campaign, but that I thought it was sad that so many conservative
> >>>     evangelical Christians find confirmation and comfort in their
> >>>     faith by being pissed off at undocumented immigrants. 
> >>>
> >>>     Keely
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         --------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>       
> > ----------
> >   
> >>>         From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com <mailto:privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >>>         To: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>>         Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:03:14 -0800
> >>>         Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
> >>>
> >>>         I have to ask - why would any of the Gospel be part of a
> >>>         candidate's priority?  I mean, if we get in a fundamentalist
> >>>         such as Doug - that just sets me teeth on edge. 
> >>>
> >>>         No matter what candidate wins in the end, it should be the
> >>>         benefit of the entire country, no matter a person's income,
> >>>         that is priority.  We should be concentrating on getting our
> >>>         country up and running again, getting OUR kids fed, OUR
> >>>         people's medical needs met, OUR country's goods sold, etc. 
> >>>         The more money and efforts we expend on the rest of the world
> >>>         just seems to be going down the drain and the only return we
> >>>         are seeing is OUR people constantly being targeted for
> >>>         killing, maiming, destruction of all sorts and measures. 
> >>>
> >>>         Our country must get back to protecting what's ours and then
> >>>         we can offer help to those in other parts of the world with
> >>>         what's left.
> >>>
> >>>         Sorry for the hard-nose approach, but really, after fighting
> >>>         and seeing my friends die for OUR country only to see the
> >>>         Administration/Powers-that-be give it all way, is getting old
> >>>         and needs to stop if we are to survive this century in one
> >>>         piece. 
> >>>
> >>>         J :]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>             ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>       
> > --------------
> >   
> >>>             From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> >>>             To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>             Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:04:45 -0800
> >>>             Subject: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
> >>>
> >>>             CNN projects Mike Huckabee as the GOP caucus winner in
> >>>             Iowa, followed by Romney, then Thompson.  On the
> >>>             Democratic side, Edwards, Obama and Clinton are fairly
> >>>             evenly matched and only Bill Richardson has made any
> >>>             statistically notable waves among the second-tier 
> >>>       
> > candidates.
> >   
> >>>             I've been for Edwards since he announced, and while I
> >>>             would be  happy with any of the Democrats (except for
> >>>             Kucinich and Gravel), I would be ecstatic if we had an
> >>>             Edwards/Obama or Edwards/Richardson, or an Obama/???,
> >>>             ticket in 2008.  And two great things happen on January
> >>>             20, 2009 -- my son turns 20 (he was born on the final day
> >>>             of the Reagan administration) and the days of the Bush
> >>>             presidency are no more. 
> >>>
> >>>             On a final note, I'm dismayed that several commentators
> >>>             have noted that the GOP voters who identify as
> >>>             evangelicals consider illegal immigration their top
> >>>             issue.  It would be wonderful if their top concern was
> >>>             justice and opportunity for the poor, but I'm guessing
> >>>             that the gospel of Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, Laura Ingraham
> >>>             and Pat Buchanan has trumped the Gospel of that other guy
> >>>             . . .
> >>>
> >>>             Keely
> >>>
> >>>
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