[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Iowa caucus stuff
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 4 17:49:54 PST 2008
Pat,
You have my permission to live your life any God-damned way you want to.
Paul
pkraut at moscow.com wrote:
> I soooo always apprciate someone who is not a Christian telling me how I
> should live it!!
>
>
>
>
>> What if he was destitute and unable to provide for his family, and
>>
> broke
>
>> into your house because your son was hiring him under the table to do
>> his chores for him?
>>
>> I think the un-Christian thing about this (from my admittedly
>> non-Christian perspective) is viewing these people as hardened
>>
> criminals
>
>> intent on taking our jobs away from us instead of people stuck between
>>
> a
>
>> rock and a hard place who have to find some way for their family to
>>
> survive.
>
>> I'm no Bible scholar, but I do remember a lot of talk about poverty and
>> helping out your fellow man.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> g. crabtree wrote:
>>
>>> It seems to me that your notion of the Gospel with regard to illegal
>>> aliens is flawed. Do you believe that should a thief break into your
>>> home it's your obligation to give him a hot meal and pay to have the
>>> hand he cut breaking your window stitched up? Maybe some dental care
>>> for him and his family while he's there? Heck as long as he's sitting
>>> on your sofa why not arrange for a little in state tuition at the
>>> local diploma mill and offer to pay expenses not covered by grants.
>>>
> By
>
>>> my reckoning it's not Christian charity if my compassion is forcibly
>>> extracted at the point of a gun, be it in the form of increased taxes
>>> by the government or an actual felon with a firearm. Charity should
>>>
> be
>
>>> an individual thing from the heart. Also, I'm no biblical scholar but
>>> I'm fairly sure that the Bible does not preclude a sovereign country
>>> having secure borders.
>>>
>>> g
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* keely emerinemix <mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>> *To:* J Ford <mailto:privatejf32 at hotmail.com> ;
>>> vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:06 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
>>>
>>> My point wasn't that doctrine has a place in a presidential
>>> campaign, but that I thought it was sad that so many conservative
>>> evangelical Christians find confirmation and comfort in their
>>> faith by being pissed off at undocumented immigrants.
>>>
>>> Keely
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com <mailto:privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:03:14 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
>>>
>>> I have to ask - why would any of the Gospel be part of a
>>> candidate's priority? I mean, if we get in a fundamentalist
>>> such as Doug - that just sets me teeth on edge.
>>>
>>> No matter what candidate wins in the end, it should be the
>>> benefit of the entire country, no matter a person's income,
>>> that is priority. We should be concentrating on getting our
>>> country up and running again, getting OUR kids fed, OUR
>>> people's medical needs met, OUR country's goods sold, etc.
>>> The more money and efforts we expend on the rest of the world
>>> just seems to be going down the drain and the only return we
>>> are seeing is OUR people constantly being targeted for
>>> killing, maiming, destruction of all sorts and measures.
>>>
>>> Our country must get back to protecting what's ours and then
>>> we can offer help to those in other parts of the world with
>>> what's left.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the hard-nose approach, but really, after fighting
>>> and seeing my friends die for OUR country only to see the
>>> Administration/Powers-that-be give it all way, is getting old
>>> and needs to stop if we are to survive this century in one
>>> piece.
>>>
>>> J :]
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:04:45 -0800
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
>>>
>>> CNN projects Mike Huckabee as the GOP caucus winner in
>>> Iowa, followed by Romney, then Thompson. On the
>>> Democratic side, Edwards, Obama and Clinton are fairly
>>> evenly matched and only Bill Richardson has made any
>>> statistically notable waves among the second-tier
>>>
> candidates.
>
>>> I've been for Edwards since he announced, and while I
>>> would be happy with any of the Democrats (except for
>>> Kucinich and Gravel), I would be ecstatic if we had an
>>> Edwards/Obama or Edwards/Richardson, or an Obama/???,
>>> ticket in 2008. And two great things happen on January
>>> 20, 2009 -- my son turns 20 (he was born on the final day
>>> of the Reagan administration) and the days of the Bush
>>> presidency are no more.
>>>
>>> On a final note, I'm dismayed that several commentators
>>> have noted that the GOP voters who identify as
>>> evangelicals consider illegal immigration their top
>>> issue. It would be wonderful if their top concern was
>>> justice and opportunity for the poor, but I'm guessing
>>> that the gospel of Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, Laura Ingraham
>>> and Pat Buchanan has trumped the Gospel of that other guy
>>> . . .
>>>
>>> Keely
>>>
>>>
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