[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Iowa caucus stuff
pkraut at moscow.com
pkraut at moscow.com
Fri Jan 4 17:50:10 PST 2008
I soooo always apprciate someone who is not a Christian telling me how I
should live it!!
> What if he was destitute and unable to provide for his family, and
broke
> into your house because your son was hiring him under the table to do
> his chores for him?
>
> I think the un-Christian thing about this (from my admittedly
> non-Christian perspective) is viewing these people as hardened
criminals
> intent on taking our jobs away from us instead of people stuck between
a
> rock and a hard place who have to find some way for their family to
survive.
>
> I'm no Bible scholar, but I do remember a lot of talk about poverty and
> helping out your fellow man.
>
> Paul
>
> g. crabtree wrote:
> > It seems to me that your notion of the Gospel with regard to illegal
> > aliens is flawed. Do you believe that should a thief break into your
> > home it's your obligation to give him a hot meal and pay to have the
> > hand he cut breaking your window stitched up? Maybe some dental care
> > for him and his family while he's there? Heck as long as he's sitting
> > on your sofa why not arrange for a little in state tuition at the
> > local diploma mill and offer to pay expenses not covered by grants.
By
> > my reckoning it's not Christian charity if my compassion is forcibly
> > extracted at the point of a gun, be it in the form of increased taxes
> > by the government or an actual felon with a firearm. Charity should
be
> > an individual thing from the heart. Also, I'm no biblical scholar but
> > I'm fairly sure that the Bible does not preclude a sovereign country
> > having secure borders.
> >
> > g
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* keely emerinemix <mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> > *To:* J Ford <mailto:privatejf32 at hotmail.com> ;
> > vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:06 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
> >
> > My point wasn't that doctrine has a place in a presidential
> > campaign, but that I thought it was sad that so many conservative
> > evangelical Christians find confirmation and comfort in their
> > faith by being pissed off at undocumented immigrants.
> >
> > Keely
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
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> > From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com <mailto:privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:03:14 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
> >
> > I have to ask - why would any of the Gospel be part of a
> > candidate's priority? I mean, if we get in a fundamentalist
> > such as Doug - that just sets me teeth on edge.
> >
> > No matter what candidate wins in the end, it should be the
> > benefit of the entire country, no matter a person's income,
> > that is priority. We should be concentrating on getting our
> > country up and running again, getting OUR kids fed, OUR
> > people's medical needs met, OUR country's goods sold, etc.
> > The more money and efforts we expend on the rest of the world
> > just seems to be going down the drain and the only return we
> > are seeing is OUR people constantly being targeted for
> > killing, maiming, destruction of all sorts and measures.
> >
> > Our country must get back to protecting what's ours and then
> > we can offer help to those in other parts of the world with
> > what's left.
> >
> > Sorry for the hard-nose approach, but really, after fighting
> > and seeing my friends die for OUR country only to see the
> > Administration/Powers-that-be give it all way, is getting old
> > and needs to stop if we are to survive this century in one
> > piece.
> >
> > J :]
> >
> >
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> > From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:04:45 -0800
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
> >
> > CNN projects Mike Huckabee as the GOP caucus winner in
> > Iowa, followed by Romney, then Thompson. On the
> > Democratic side, Edwards, Obama and Clinton are fairly
> > evenly matched and only Bill Richardson has made any
> > statistically notable waves among the second-tier
candidates.
> >
> > I've been for Edwards since he announced, and while I
> > would be happy with any of the Democrats (except for
> > Kucinich and Gravel), I would be ecstatic if we had an
> > Edwards/Obama or Edwards/Richardson, or an Obama/???,
> > ticket in 2008. And two great things happen on January
> > 20, 2009 -- my son turns 20 (he was born on the final day
> > of the Reagan administration) and the days of the Bush
> > presidency are no more.
> >
> > On a final note, I'm dismayed that several commentators
> > have noted that the GOP voters who identify as
> > evangelicals consider illegal immigration their top
> > issue. It would be wonderful if their top concern was
> > justice and opportunity for the poor, but I'm guessing
> > that the gospel of Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, Laura Ingraham
> > and Pat Buchanan has trumped the Gospel of that other guy
> > . . .
> >
> > Keely
> >
> >
> >
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