[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Iowa caucus stuff
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 4 08:03:46 PST 2008
What if he was destitute and unable to provide for his family, and broke
into your house because your son was hiring him under the table to do
his chores for him?
I think the un-Christian thing about this (from my admittedly
non-Christian perspective) is viewing these people as hardened criminals
intent on taking our jobs away from us instead of people stuck between a
rock and a hard place who have to find some way for their family to survive.
I'm no Bible scholar, but I do remember a lot of talk about poverty and
helping out your fellow man.
Paul
g. crabtree wrote:
> It seems to me that your notion of the Gospel with regard to illegal
> aliens is flawed. Do you believe that should a thief break into your
> home it's your obligation to give him a hot meal and pay to have the
> hand he cut breaking your window stitched up? Maybe some dental care
> for him and his family while he's there? Heck as long as he's sitting
> on your sofa why not arrange for a little in state tuition at the
> local diploma mill and offer to pay expenses not covered by grants. By
> my reckoning it's not Christian charity if my compassion is forcibly
> extracted at the point of a gun, be it in the form of increased taxes
> by the government or an actual felon with a firearm. Charity should be
> an individual thing from the heart. Also, I'm no biblical scholar but
> I'm fairly sure that the Bible does not preclude a sovereign country
> having secure borders.
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* keely emerinemix <mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> *To:* J Ford <mailto:privatejf32 at hotmail.com> ;
> vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
>
> My point wasn't that doctrine has a place in a presidential
> campaign, but that I thought it was sad that so many conservative
> evangelical Christians find confirmation and comfort in their
> faith by being pissed off at undocumented immigrants.
>
> Keely
>
>
>
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> From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com <mailto:privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:03:14 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
>
> I have to ask - why would any of the Gospel be part of a
> candidate's priority? I mean, if we get in a fundamentalist
> such as Doug - that just sets me teeth on edge.
>
> No matter what candidate wins in the end, it should be the
> benefit of the entire country, no matter a person's income,
> that is priority. We should be concentrating on getting our
> country up and running again, getting OUR kids fed, OUR
> people's medical needs met, OUR country's goods sold, etc.
> The more money and efforts we expend on the rest of the world
> just seems to be going down the drain and the only return we
> are seeing is OUR people constantly being targeted for
> killing, maiming, destruction of all sorts and measures.
>
> Our country must get back to protecting what's ours and then
> we can offer help to those in other parts of the world with
> what's left.
>
> Sorry for the hard-nose approach, but really, after fighting
> and seeing my friends die for OUR country only to see the
> Administration/Powers-that-be give it all way, is getting old
> and needs to stop if we are to survive this century in one
> piece.
>
> J :]
>
>
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> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:04:45 -0800
> Subject: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff
>
> CNN projects Mike Huckabee as the GOP caucus winner in
> Iowa, followed by Romney, then Thompson. On the
> Democratic side, Edwards, Obama and Clinton are fairly
> evenly matched and only Bill Richardson has made any
> statistically notable waves among the second-tier candidates.
>
> I've been for Edwards since he announced, and while I
> would be happy with any of the Democrats (except for
> Kucinich and Gravel), I would be ecstatic if we had an
> Edwards/Obama or Edwards/Richardson, or an Obama/???,
> ticket in 2008. And two great things happen on January
> 20, 2009 -- my son turns 20 (he was born on the final day
> of the Reagan administration) and the days of the Bush
> presidency are no more.
>
> On a final note, I'm dismayed that several commentators
> have noted that the GOP voters who identify as
> evangelicals consider illegal immigration their top
> issue. It would be wonderful if their top concern was
> justice and opportunity for the poor, but I'm guessing
> that the gospel of Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, Laura Ingraham
> and Pat Buchanan has trumped the Gospel of that other guy
> . . .
>
> Keely
>
>
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