[Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Thu Dec 18 16:07:16 PST 2008
Not to mention that some of those "terrorists, child molesters, and
criminal scum" might just turn out to be innocent, law-abiding people in
the wrong place at the wrong time.
Paul
Kai Eiselein, Editor wrote:
> Because the "terrorists, child molesters, and criminal scum" are entitled to
> competent counsel and a fair trial under the U.S. Constitution. That is why
> they are defended.
> You know, that piece of parchment that the terrorists would love to tear up
> and forget about....
>
>
> From: Donovan Arnold
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:41 PM
> To: vision 2020 ; Sunil Ramalingam
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
>
>
> Typical Sunil,
>
> Find a statement, twist it's meaning. Then blow it up as being of the most
> importance.
> Such as taking up my incorrect use of the word "foreigner" instead of "non
> US Citizen" to ignore the fact that the US President was attacked.
>
> Second, Sunil, you ALWAYS take the side of the criminal, the attacker, the
> murder, the terrorist, or the child molester, and turn them into the
> helpless victim and US society as the TRUE criminal and true source of all
> things evil and wrong.
>
> Third, you make up weak arguments your opponent never made. Ridicule it, and
> point to it being flawed. Example: "Our democracy is lost because of two
> shoes? Ridiculous." Nobody said that, or believes that, and you know that.
>
> Finally, you accuse everyone of launching personal attacks against you,
> while doing the same to others and to just as a degree. Such as, "You're not
> just full of crap, you're covered with it."
>
> Sunil, you maybe be able to argue better then me. But that doesn't make you
> right. Your beliefs are harmful to people. Such as wanting to release all
> people from Gitmo, whom we know at least 12 were plotters of 9/11. Your work
> puts people who harm innocent people and children in harms way. I would
> rather be dead than be a lawyer for the killers, murderers, and rapists you
> aide.
>
> You can argue well, no doubt. But what you argue is just wrong and evil, in
> my opinion, most the time. Why not use your superpowers to help the elderly,
> disabled, sick, and poor, rather then the terrorists, child molesters, and
> criminal scum you defend so fervently?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 6:11 AM
>
>
> Typical Donovan:
>
> First make an incorrect statement, in this case calling an Iraqi a foreigner
> in his own country.
>
> Then when this is pointed out, shift the subject, in this case the
> nonsensical sovereignty argument. Our democracy is lost because of two
> shoes? Ridiculous.
>
> Third, when someone disagrees with this, launch personal attacks that are
> lies and nonsense. You can't prove a single claim you make against me
> because you've made it all up. You got nothing, Donovan, nothing but your
> loud empty-headed yelling.
>
> You accuse me of supporting expediency? BS. You're the guy willing to
> ignore laws to hold 'accused terrorists' forever and you accuse me of being
> expedient? BS.
>
> You're not just full of crap, you're covered with it.
>
> Sunil
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:50:58 -0800
>> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>
>> Sunil,
>>
>> I don't have to make stuff up, you provide plenty. You throw so many red
>> herrings there must be a Great Lake emptied of them.
>>
>> You move off the topic, and attack something so irrelevant to the issue in
>> hopes that nobody notices.
>>
>> You said, in no uncertain terms, you are not concerned about the
>> sovereignty of the United States. That was my point, you don't care. I do.
>>
>> Your primary argument to me is not about a people's right to elect leaders
>> without them being attacked or harassed.
>>
>> You appear to ALWAYS enjoy taking the side of the criminal over the
>> victim. In fact, I cannot think of a time when you have not.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Donovan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
>>> To: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:51 PM
>>> You must have missed the part where I said I don't
>>> support throwing shoes at Presidents. That would include
>>> Bush. But go ahead and make stuff up; it's your strong
>>> suit.
>>>
>>> I don't think this one incident will lead to Bush doing
>>> an appreciably worse job.
>>>
>>> I look forward to your next discussion of what is - How did
>>> you put it? - what is 'morally and ethically
>>> important.'
>>>
>>> Sunil
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:45:39 -0800
>>>> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President
>>>>
>>> Bush
>>>
>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Sunil,
>>>>
>>>> The United States, as any nation's people, should
>>>>
>>> have the unalienable right to democratically elect its
>>> leaders and representatives without them being assaulted or
>>> harassed by the people of another country. What is the point
>>> of a democracy if the elected leaders are just harassed,
>>> assaulted, or killed while performing their duties?
>>>
>>>> You always present yourself to me as someone that
>>>>
>>> ignores what is morally and ethically important for the sake
>>> of whatever is expedient for your cause at the time.
>>>
>>>> You hate Bush, and as far as I can tell, and most of
>>>>
>>> his policies, so you are shoving side a very basic and
>>> important right of people for the justification of attacking
>>> a man you dislike. No doubt your tune would change if it
>>> were a more serious assault against a leader you liked.
>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Donovan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Sunil Ramalingam
>>>>
>>> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> From: Sunil Ramalingam
>>>>>
>>> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at
>>>>>
>>> President Bush
>>>
>>>>> To: "vision 2020"
>>>>>
>>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 5:34 PM
>>>>> Donovan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't give a rat's ass about this
>>>>>
>>> guy's
>>>
>>>>> citizenship; now that's a red herring. I can
>>>>>
>>> see that
>>>
>>>>> he wasn't attacked by a foreigner, since it
>>>>>
>>> looks like
>>>
>>>>> the guy was an Iraqi in his own country.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am perturbed that he was able to get the second
>>>>>
>>> shoe off,
>>>
>>>>> and I don't recommend people throw shoes at
>>>>>
>>> presidents,
>>>
>>>>> or most other people. I also don't think
>>>>>
>>> they should be
>>>
>>>>> killed for doing it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I am least concerned about, and what I find
>>>>> remarkable, is the notion that our sovereignty
>>>>>
>>> was
>>>
>>>>> threatened. When we start showing respect for
>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>> sovereignty of other states, I may come to see
>>>>>
>>> our own
>>>
>>>>> sovereignty has a delicate flower in need of
>>>>>
>>> protection.
>>>
>>>>> You can keep repeating your concern, and I'll
>>>>>
>>> still find
>>>
>>>>> it either meaningless or ludicrous. Important
>>>>>
>>> issue my foot.
>>>
>>>>> That guy wasn't making a statement about
>>>>>
>>> sovereignty,
>>>
>>>>> he was illustrating his view of Bush.
>>>>>
>>>>> Worrying that our sovereignty was somehow
>>>>>
>>> threatened
>>>
>>>>> strikes me like worrying about Rush
>>>>>
>>> Limbaugh's ego
>>>
>>>>> should he hear a criticism of his views.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as tempting us, apparently they did that
>>>>>
>>> by having
>>>
>>>>> oil under their ground.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunil
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:01:52 -0800
>>>>> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; tiedye at turbonet.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at
>>>>>
>>> President Bush
>>>
>>>>> Dave and Sunil,
>>>>>
>>>>> What is clear is that you are not bothered by an
>>>>>
>>> attempt to
>>>
>>>>> assault the President of the United States by
>>>>>
>>> someone that
>>>
>>>>> is not a US Citizen.
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't matter if the US President is
>>>>>
>>> assaulted by a
>>>
>>>>> foreigner on his soil or ours. It is still an
>>>>>
>>> attack on US
>>>
>>>>> Sovereignty. That is the point. If you missed
>>>>>
>>> that, I will
>>>
>>>>> repeat it; It doesn't matter if the US
>>>>>
>>> President is
>>>
>>>>> assaulted by a foreigner on his soil or ours. Is
>>>>>
>>> is still an
>>>
>>>>> attack on US Sovereignty.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think focusing on the fact that the US base was
>>>>>
>>> in Iraq,
>>>
>>>>> is a big smelly red herring intentionally thrown
>>>>>
>>> into to the
>>>
>>>>> argument to avert away from the important issue
>>>>>
>>> of US
>>>
>>>>> security and sovereignty, which is what is being
>>>>>
>>> challenged.
>>>
>>>>> And yes, Sunil, Middle Eastern nations do need to
>>>>>
>>> be
>>>
>>>>> careful about how they behave because the US has
>>>>>
>>> no qualms
>>>
>>>>> about blowing people up or invading nations. It
>>>>>
>>> is idiotic
>>>
>>>>> for a people to tempt and taunt those with the
>>>>>
>>> biggest
>>>
>>>>> weapons that are also willing to use them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Donovan
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Dave
>>>>>
>>> <tiedye at turbonet.com>
>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Dave <tiedye at turbonet.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at
>>>>>
>>> President Bush
>>>
>>>>> To: "vision2020"
>>>>>
>>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:14 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I meant, Sunil, that the guy who attacked
>>>>>>
>>> the US
>>>
>>>>> President was not a US
>>>>> Citizen. I guess you can play semantics if you
>>>>>
>>> want, but I
>>>
>>>>> think my meaning was
>>>>> clear.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Quite clear: you think that the USA owns the
>>>>>
>>> world.
>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:
>>>>> McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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