[Vision2020] Dodging Important Questions

[Ted Moffett]

The question stands, unanswered by Carscallen, on this list, as far as I
have read.  Chas and Kai appear intent on distracting focus away from the
question, given their ad hominem comments.  I am not the issue.  The
question is the issue.  The livability of our planet, and the responses of
those in government to this problem, is the issue.

Why should this question inspire such personalized responses towards someone
posing it?  As if the problem of human impacts on climate is not
important enough to merit posing questions to public officials regarding
what they think should be done to address the issue?  That is, assuming they
even acknowledge the gravity of the problem.

If Carscallen wants to respond, he will.  If he doesn't, he won't.  What is
Chas and Kai's stake in this?

Regarding Chas's response, I do not "derail any thread and subvert it..."
nor did I "subvert" Carscallen's post under discussion, unless from the
point of view of someone oblivious to the science regarding predicted
impacts of human influenced climate change.  Chas's personalized
hyperbole is puzzling.  Chas's response has no content that directly relates
to the subject of climate change regarding the appropriateness of my
question in response to Carscallen's post.

My question to Carscallen was related to the subject heading of his post
"Weather advisory," and was not an attempt to "subvert," but to
enlighten.  This is so obvious...

Carscallen posted a weather advisory regarding an impending storm.  I asked
(and I paraphrase), given he trusts these government weather advisories,
does he trust what NOAA presents regarding anthropogenic climate change,
considering he has in the past dismissed human impacts on global climate, as
they relate to increased extreme weather?

Is this an inappropriate question?  And how is it "subverting" the thread?
In fact, my question relates rather profoundly to the thread.

As to Kai's response, my response was not about a subject "completely
different," as Kai writes.  As I explained above, severe weather is related
to, in fact predicted by, anthropogenic climate change.  Why Kai does not
consider this obvious connection, I am not sure.

Kai also does not reference my science based researched posts on the subject
of anthropogenic climate change, but instead, likens my posts on this
critical scientific subject, that impacts the future livability of our
planet, to someone "obsessing" about Star Wars paraphernalia, or making
arguments regarding climate science like the following:

Dandelions blooming early? Global warming.
Dandelions blooming late? Global warming.
A feather fell off a duck's butt? Global warming.
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Kai is likening my posts on climate change to this simple minded juvenalia?
In depth study of the problem of human impacts on climate is comparable to
someone obsessing on Star Wars paraphernalia?  His response is like a radio
talk show host, using emotional language and images, rather than fact and
reason, to make someones position appear ridiculous.  And these tactics are
coming from someone insisting on journalistic objectivity?

I have received positive feedback from some very well educated members of
this community regarding my researched contributions to this list on climate
science and related human impacts.  Till I receive feedback from these
individuals that my posts on climate science are somehow inappropriate, I'll
dismiss Chas and Kai's oddly ad hominem responses.  Chas and Kai in their
criticisms have not offered a fair evaluation, in my opinion.

Ted Moffett

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:45, Ted Moffett <starbliss at
gmail.com<http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020>>
wrote:

>* Kai is dodging the discussion of important questions once again, using
*>* laughable amateur armchair psychoanalysis in the process. What a howl! *
>* Thanks for the humor...
*
I don't see this as Kai dodging an issue, so much as your giving in to
own compulsion to derail any thread and subvert it to fit your tedious
mania.

Bad etiquette, Ted, and childish, especially when your ridiculous
accusation is transparently motivated by Kai prudently ignoring your
bait.

Chas

On 8/20/08, Kai Eiselein, Editor <editor at lataheagle.com> wrote:

>  Ted, I didn't dodge your question, I completely, totally and
> intentionally ignored it.
> When one is constantly bringing the same subject up, over and over, despite
> a discussion on something completely different, it strikes me as being
> obsessive. Armchair or not, perception is everything. This is my perception,
> like it or not. It's kind of like the guy who collects all the Star Wars
> stuff, knows all of the characters' "history", the size, armament and max
> speed of every ship. Yeah, "that guy", the one everybody avoided because he
> couldn't talk about anything else.
> We were talking about a storm warning. You turned it into yet another take
> on global warming.
> Dandelions blooming early? Global warming.
> Dandelions blooming late? Global warming.
> A feather fell off a duck's butt? Global warming.
> I know all about being obsessive, I drool over photographic equipment
> catalogues like a 16 year old male drools over a Victoria's Secret
> catalogue. I think about photography constantly, shots I've seen, shots I've
> taken and shots I want to take. Nearly everything I see, I look at with eye
> towards, "How can I shoot that?"
> Thankfully, you were wrong about the storm, I've been waiting for one like
> that for two years. (The last really good one was July 5, 2006)
>
>
>  *From:* Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:45 PM
> *To:* Kai Eiselein, Editor <editor at lataheagle.com>
> *Cc:* Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com> ; vision2020<vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Subject:* Dodging Important Questions
>
>
> Kai is dodging the discussion of important questions once again, using
> laughable amateur armchair psychoanalysis in the process.  What a howl!
> Thanks for the humor...
>
> I don't require your photos to enjoy the beauty of nature... You are
> absolutely clueless regarding this aspect of my life.  But thanks anyway.
> They are nice photos.
>
> Asking a Moscow City Council member if they continue to engage in
> misinformed obscurantism (my view of Carscallen's past comments on
> Vision2020 regarding this issue) regarding human impacts on climate, one of
> the most critical issues humanity is facing, and certainly an issue that can
> be addressed by local government, is an important question.
>
> Dodging questions is a very important skill, for editors who must protect
> their reputation, given the political slant of readership and supporters,
> and for politicians, as we all know.
>
> Ted Moffett
>
>
>
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