<div>The question stands, unanswered by Carscallen, on this list, as far as I have read. Chas and Kai appear intent on distracting focus away from the question, given their ad hominem comments. I am not the issue. The question is the issue. The livability of our planet, and the responses of those in government to this problem, is the issue.</div>
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<div>Why should this question inspire such personalized responses towards someone posing it? As if the problem of human impacts on climate is not important enough to merit posing questions to public officials regarding what they think should be done to address the issue? That is, assuming they even acknowledge the gravity of the problem.</div>
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<div>If Carscallen wants to respond, he will. If he doesn't, he won't. What is Chas and Kai's stake in this?</div>
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<div>Regarding Chas's response, I do not "derail any thread and subvert it..." nor did I "subvert" Carscallen's post under discussion, unless from the point of view of someone oblivious to the science regarding predicted impacts of human influenced climate change. Chas's personalized hyperbole is puzzling. Chas's response has no content that directly relates to the subject of climate change regarding the appropriateness of my question in response to Carscallen's post.</div>
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<div>My question to Carscallen was related to the subject heading of his post "Weather advisory," and was not an attempt to "subvert," but to enlighten. This is so obvious...</div>
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<div>Carscallen posted a weather advisory regarding an impending storm. I asked (and I paraphrase), given he trusts these government weather advisories, does he trust what NOAA presents regarding anthropogenic climate change, considering he has in the past dismissed human impacts on global climate, as they relate to increased extreme weather? </div>
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<div>Is this an inappropriate question? And how is it "subverting" the thread? In fact, my question relates rather profoundly to the thread.</div>
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<div>As to Kai's response, my response was not about a subject "completely different," as Kai writes. As I explained above, severe weather is related to, in fact predicted by, anthropogenic climate change. Why Kai does not consider this obvious connection, I am not sure. </div>
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<div>Kai also does not reference my science based researched posts on the subject of anthropogenic climate change, but instead, likens my posts on this critical scientific subject, that impacts the future livability of our planet, to someone "obsessing" about Star Wars paraphernalia, or making arguments regarding climate science like the following:</div>
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<div>Dandelions blooming early? Global warming.<br>Dandelions blooming late? Global warming.<br>A feather fell off a duck's butt? Global warming.</div>
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<div>Kai is likening my posts on climate change to this simple minded juvenalia? In depth study of the problem of human impacts on climate is comparable to someone obsessing on Star Wars paraphernalia? His response is like a radio talk show host, using emotional language and images, rather than fact and reason, to make someones position appear ridiculous. And these tactics are coming from someone insisting on journalistic objectivity? </div>
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<div>I have received positive feedback from some very well educated members of this community regarding my researched contributions to this list on climate science and related human impacts. Till I receive feedback from these individuals that my posts on climate science are somehow inappropriate, I'll dismiss Chas and Kai's oddly ad hominem responses. Chas and Kai in their criticisms have not offered a fair evaluation, in my opinion.</div>
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<div>On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:45, Ted Moffett <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020" target="_blank">starbliss at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>><i> Kai is dodging the discussion of important questions once again, using<br></i>><i> laughable amateur armchair psychoanalysis in the process. What a howl! </i>><i> Thanks for the humor...<br></i><br>I don't see this as Kai dodging an issue, so much as your giving in to<br>
own compulsion to derail any thread and subvert it to fit your tedious<br>mania.<br><br>Bad etiquette, Ted, and childish, especially when your ridiculous<br>accusation is transparently motivated by Kai prudently ignoring your<br>
bait.<br><br>Chas<br><br><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/20/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Kai Eiselein, Editor</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com" target="_blank">editor@lataheagle.com</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<div><font size="2">Ted, I didn't dodge your question, I completely, totally and intentionally ignored it.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">When one is constantly bringing the same subject up, over and over, despite a discussion on something completely different, it strikes me as being obsessive. Armchair or not, perception is everything. This is my perception, like it or not. It's kind of like the guy who collects all the Star Wars stuff, knows all of the characters' "history", the size, armament and max speed of every ship. Yeah, "that guy", the one everybody avoided because he couldn't talk about anything else.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">We were talking about a storm warning. You turned it into yet another take on global warming.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Dandelions blooming early? Global warming.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Dandelions blooming late? Global warming.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">A feather fell off a duck's butt? Global warming.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">I know all about being obsessive, I drool over photographic equipment catalogues like a 16 year old male drools over a Victoria's Secret catalogue. I think about photography constantly, shots I've seen, shots I've taken and shots I want to take. Nearly everything I see, I look at with eye towards, "How can I shoot that?"</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Thankfully, you were wrong about the storm, I've been waiting for one like that for two years. (The last really good one was July 5, 2006)</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:45 PM</div>
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<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="mailto:areaman@moscow.com
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Dodging Important Questions</div></div></div>
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<div>Kai is dodging the discussion of important questions once again, using laughable amateur armchair psychoanalysis in the process. What a howl! Thanks for the humor...</div>
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<div>I don't require your photos to enjoy the beauty of nature... You are absolutely clueless regarding this aspect of my life. But thanks anyway. They are nice photos.</div>
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<div>Asking a Moscow City Council member if they continue to engage in misinformed obscurantism (my view of Carscallen's past comments on Vision2020 regarding this issue) regarding human impacts on climate, one of the most critical issues humanity is facing, and certainly an issue that can be addressed by local government, is an important question.</div>
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<div>Dodging questions is a very important skill, for editors who must protect their reputation, given the political slant of readership and supporters, and for politicians, as we all know.</div>
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