[Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered

[pkraut at moscow.com]

You saw the shortened version...edited for TV.



> Is that what you saw on Fox, Pat?  If so, I suggest you and Gary Crabtree
> look elsewhere because all of the versions I've seen had the young man
> interrupted within about 30 seconds.  And, part of that <gasp> 30 seconds
> was spent thanking Kerry for his time -- so much for your earlier 
contention
> that, "Its <sic> just one more example of the current generation pushing 
the
> boundries <sic> and grownups being unable or unwilling to draw a line in
> manners and behavior."  It's good to know -- although certainly not
> surprising -- that your definition of "manners and behavior" doesn't 
include
> the expression of gratitude.
> 
> Further, he wasn't even able to ask a SINGLE question before the cops
> started hassling him, so you are -- yet again, although again not
> surprisingly -- wrong in your allegation with respect to his questions 
that
> he'd "had already had so many answered that the person running the mic 
had
> turned him off."  The cops were all over the guy -- within 90 seconds 
from
> the time started expressing his thanks to Kerry -- before Kerry was able 
to
> answer a SINGLE question.  Geez-a-lou -- have you never been to a real
> political forum where there are questions and answers?  I can think of 
very
> few instances in the *many* I've attended -- both liberal and 
conservative
> -- where the person asking a question got out in under 60 seconds, and
> frankly, the conservatives seem to have a lot heck of a lot of difficulty
> being succinct, IMHO.
> 
> You people really crack me up!  You and your ilk only care about the
> Constitution and its lofty notions of free speech when it suits you and 
you
> agree with what's being said.  The rest of the time, you show your true
> colors of wanting to lockstep us right into fascism, which you've made it
> clear time and again is where you feel most comfortable.
> 
> Fortunately, there are still enough of us who BELIEVE in the Constitution
> and this little experiment in democracy known as the United States of
> America that your lunacy will continue to lose, thank God!
> 
> 
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
> 
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> - Edmund Burke
> 
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-
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> On Behalf Of pkraut at moscow.com
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:57 PM
> To: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered
> 
> The student was asking questions about Kerry and Bush and thier 
involvment 
> with the 'skull and bones club' and had already had so many answered 
that 
> the person running the mic had turned him off. Kerry is saying that he 
> will answer the question. It was on Fox.
> 
> 
>  All-
> > 
> > I have not read one comment in this threat regarding what the tasered
> > student was asking John Kerry.  Maybe I missed it.
> > 
> > What I heard in the media, which I have not verified, is that the 
student
> > was holding a book by Greg Palast (in the video you can see the 
student 
> is
> > holding up a book during the incident), dealing with the election in 
> 2004,
> > which Palast (and others who have studied the facts carefully) asserts 
> was
> > stolen from Kerry via voting fraud and abuse of various kinds.  The 
> student
> > is questioning Kerry about why he did not do more to address the fact 
his
> > election to the White House was stolen (my wording, not what the 
student 
> may
> > have possibly said).
> > 
> > If this is indeed what the student was asking John Kerry, the question 
is
> > important.
> > 
> > The student may have been being disruptive in pushing his question
> > "inappropriately" during this appearance by Kerry. But unless there is 
a
> > threat of violence, or vandalism, etc. I don't understand why law
> > enforcement needed to arrest someone using violence for asking 
questions
> > during a public event.  But I'm not certain of the total context in 
which
> > law enforcement felt they needed to take these actions.  I suspect the 
> fact
> > a US Senator was in the room resulted in a high level of police 
security 
> for
> > the event, and they did not want to take any chances of someone "out of
> > control" doing harm to Kerry.
> > 
> > Everyone knows how managed public appearances have become for
> > politicians. Nothing "off script" is allowed, if possible.  Some 
> politicians
> > screen everyone at their public appearances before they are allowed 
in.  
> The
> > audience is thus pre-selected to avoid protest.  George W. Bush is well
> > known for "public" appearances of this sort
> > 
> > Ted Moffett
> > 
> > 
> > On 9/21/07, Janesta <janesta at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't care if the guy did this 1000 times before. Violence should 
> NEVER
> > > be used to silence the opinion of another.
> > >
> > > Janesta
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/20/07, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 9/20/07, Pat Kraut < pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
> > > > > On this kids web site he has other occasions when he 
has 'diturbed 
> the
> > > >
> > > > > peace' and asked for all he got. His mic had been turned off by
> > > > someone who
> > > > > thought he had gone on long enough so it wasn't just the cops who
> > > > thought he
> > > > > had pushed his limits. Its just one more example of the current
> > > > generation
> > > > > pushing the boundries and grownups being unable or unwilling to 
> draw a
> > > > line
> > > > > in manners and behavior.
> > > >
> > > > Pat --
> > > >
> > > > In what universe is being rude punishable through coercive use of
> > > > state violence?
> > > >
> > > > -- ACS
> > > >
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