[Vision2020] discrimination and zoning (was say what?)
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Sat Sep 22 10:50:55 PDT 2007
How many of them die walking to their apartments or to another party?
Sunil
>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>To: "Sunil Ramalingam"
><sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>,<vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] discrimination and zoning (was say what?)
>Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:08:30 -0700
>
>"Collage kids drinking beer" have a proven track record of getting into
>cars or hopping onto motorcycles and killing themselves and others. I don't
>think that you need a particularly keen memory to be able to dredge up
>several instances of this recently being the case. When Captain Weaver
>assigns a higher priority to preventing deaths then handing out tickets I
>really don't think that he's being particularly capricious or arbitrary. I
>think he's displaying good judgment.
>
>g
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunil Ramalingam"
><sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] discrimination and zoning (was say what?)
>
>
>>I don't know Tom, there always seem to be plenty of officers at the
>>beginning of fall semester to investigate college kids drinking beer.
>>
>>Sunil
>>
>>
>>>From: Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com>
>>>To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] discrimination and zoning (was say what?)
>>>Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:02:03 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>>Another argument for adding to our police force.
>>>
>>>bill bonte <bbonte at moscow.com> wrote: Evidently it's much easier to pass
>>>laws, ordinances and zoning codes than it is to enforce them. We need
>>>strict enforcement of existing laws, ordinances and codes. How about
>>>enforcing speed limits. The chief of
>>>police has informed me that officers have more important things to do
>>>than
>>>enforce traffic laws. Maybe this
>>>is true of noise and parking ordinances also.
>>>
>>>
>>>Newer developments have CC&Rs, another unenforceable set of codes written
>>>to assure prospective buyers their property values are safe, but in
>>>reality
>>>useless.
>>>
>>>
>>>If Moscow had strict enforcement of zoning codes, the Verizon building
>>>would never have been sold to NSA
>>>in the first place.
>>>
>>>
>>>Bill Bont
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sep 20, 2007, at 2:46 PM, keely emerinemix wrote:
>>>
>>> Noise IS covered under an ordinance; other forms of illegal behavior
>>>under others. And the number of people, whether contemplative monks or
>>>hard-partying college boys, also is covered under ordinance. Has been
>>>for
>>>at least 15 years. That's because -- and it really IS this simple --
>>>renting to non-family members constitutes running a business, one that
>>>the
>>>City has long decided is unlawful in areas zoned not for business, but
>>>for
>>>single-family homes.
>>>
>>>Period.
>>>
>>>Rocket science need not be employed here, but I would invite doubters to
>>>remember the preschool lessons of "obey rules" and "break rules" if
>>>they're
>>>further confused.
>>>
>>>keely
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:38:43 -0700
>>> > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
>>> > To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; the_ivies3 at yahoo.com;
>>>vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Discrimination
>>> >
>>> > It seems to me that controlling the number people that live in a house
>>>is a round about way of getting at the "stated problem"
>>> > If noise is the problem regulate that. If parking is a problem
>>>regulate
>>>that. The only problem I see with the number of people living in one
>>>house
>>>would be a potential safety problem.
>>> > Roger
>>> > -----Original message-----
>>> > From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>>> > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:57:07 -0700
>>> > To: Tom Ivie the_ivies3 at yahoo.com, Moscow Vision 2020
>>>vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Discrimination
>>> >
>>> > > Tom Ivie,
>>> > >
>>> > > Lowering the number of occupants per housing unit by law increases
>>>demand for more apartments and housing units, driving the cost up. With
>>>rents up even more, renters are further soaked again by limiting the
>>>number
>>>of people they can split rent with.
>>> > >
>>> > > Moscow is a college town. Students cannot afford much more that >
>>> > $300
>>>piece for rent. IF Moscow raises its rents, the number of students
>>>returning to UI will reduce because they cannot afford to live in the
>>>city
>>>with no jobs and unaffordable housing. Many of them will elect elsewhere
>>>to
>>>attend like BSU, Albertson, NNU, ISU, LCSC or the new junior college in
>>>Nampa. But this is a good move for the socialists agenda of destroying
>>>the
>>>Moscow economy through relentless unneeded government regulation.
>>> > >
>>> > > Best,
>>> > >
>>> > > Donovan
>>> > >
>>> > > Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > > Doesn't it include a CUP process? As I understand it, and I could
>>>be wrong, lowering the number brings Moscow more in-line with the
>>>codified
>>>number that the majority of cities our size use.
>>> > >
>>> > > Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote: "These
>>>three
>>>people [(Pall, Ament and Lamar)] feel that counting unrelated people in a
>>> > > dwelling will solve noise and parking problems in residential
>>> > > neighborhoods."
>>> > >
>>> > > Mr. Busch is correct on this point. I think counting the number of
>>>unrelated people is discriminatory. When I worked at Inclusion North
>>>there
>>>were often several people with disabilities living in one home because
>>>they
>>>cannot afford their own place on a $660 a month SSI check, especially in
>>>a
>>>city like Moscow. There are many poor, disabled, and elderly people that
>>>MUST live together in one dwelling for economic survival. This code is a
>>>raw deal for those that are in need of affordable housing. Another
>>>example
>>>of elitist socialists trying to make everyone live like them regardless
>>>of
>>>their financial situations. The City Council members are saying, "Let
>>>them
>>>eat cake", or in this case, let them live in an apartment with only two
>>>people if they can only afford to live in an apartment with four others.
>>> > >
>>> > > And on the other side of the coin, a family of two adults with two
>>>teenagers can be very noisy and make life for their neighbors
>>>intolerable.
>>>Why not limit how many teenagers can live in one household, or how many
>>>babies a single mom can have? It would be just as unfair.
>>> > >
>>> > > An unjust law, clearly invented by people living in nice homes
>>>with
>>>secure incomes. I hope the newly elected city council will reverse this
>>>piece of discrimination.
>>> > >
>>> > > If Moscow would allow for the building of affordable housing for
>>>what people actually earn in Moscow we would not have 5 students or 5
>>>people on SSI living in one housing unit. And BTW, Moscow has more people
>>>per housing unit then any other city in the state according the BLS.
>>> > >
>>> > > Best,
>>> > >
>>> > > Donovan
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>> > > In a letter to the editor of the Lewiston Tribune, published today
>>> > > (September 16, 2007), Steve Busch suggests that "enforcing existing
>>>law
>>> > > [Moscow Zoning Code] is all that is necessary."
>>> > >
>>> > > -----------------------------------------------------------
>>> > >
>>> > > Comments made in a letter to the editor authored by local attorney
>>>Jack
>>> > > Porter and published in the Sept. 12 Lewiston Tribune cannot be
>>>ignored. On
>>> > > Sept. 4, the current city council voted 3-2 to change Moscow's city
>>>code in
>>> > > an attempt to deal with a real problem.
>>> > >
>>> > > Unfortunately, the majority (Pall, Ament and Lamar) threw the baby >
>>> > out
>>>with
>>> > > the bath water. These three people feel that counting unrelated > >
>>>people
>>>in a
>>> > > dwelling will solve noise and parking problems in residential
>>>neighborhoods.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > The Greater Moscow Alliance feel enforcing existing law is all that
>>> > > is
>>> > > necessary. We said so in a letter presented to the council on Sept.
>>> > > 10
>>>(to
>>> > > see a copy visit www.greatermoscow.org). Mr. Porter thinks this is
>>>evidence
>>> > > the GMA is insensitive to Moscow citizens' cherished life style.
>>>Nothing
>>> > > could be further from the truth. GMA is working hard to educate the
>>>public
>>> > > about issues and candidates.
>>> > >
>>> > > I urge all Moscow voters to ask candidates for city council tough
>>>questions.
>>> > > Listen carefully to the answers and vote your conscience.
>>> > >
>>> > > Steve Busch
>>> > > President
>>> > > Greater Moscow Alliance
>>> > > Moscow
>>> > >
>>> > > -----------------------------------------------------------
>>> > >
>>> > > Questions, Mr. Busch: How often, and how selective, should > >
>>>enforcement
>>>of
>>> > > zoning codes be enforced? Instead of amending the current code ad
>>>nauseam
>>> > > and allowing for conditional use permits every time somebody
>>>violates
>>> > > "existing law", should we draw the proverbial line in the sand, much
>>>like
>>> > > the Raven, strongly proclaim "Ne'er more", and further demand that
>>>those
>>> > > entities that are currently in violation of the zoning code move
>>>elsewhere?
>>> > >
>>> > > Reminder, folks!
>>> > > http://tinyurl.com/36ghxk
>>> > >
>>> > > Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>> > >
>>> > > Tom Hansen
>>> > > Moscow, Idaho
>>> > >
>>> > > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The
>>>college
>>> > > students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>>> > >
>>> > > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>>> > >
>>> > >
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