[Vision2020] Say What? Discrimination

Thu Sep 20 20:55:16 PDT 2007

It is AMAZING just how short sighted you can be.

It has a lot to do with noise - yes.  But, it also has to do with taxes, safety, the fact that the homes (in most, if not all cases) are SINGLE FAMILY and should be treated as such, as well as the fact that most of the "offending" borders are young men who have no regard for neighbors much less the small children in these hoods that they put at risk every time they speed, make noise, disturb, etc.

And how about IT'S THE LAW!!!  I suppose we should all just ignore that City Councils BEFORE THE ONE SEATED NOW made rules and regs regarding what is considered single family and what isn't and just let these offenders do whatever?  

So when do you draw the line regarding the breaking of the law?  When do you say "You can break this law but not this one."?

J  :]

> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:38:43 -0700
> From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; the_ivies3 at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Discrimination
> 
> It seems to me that controlling the number people that live in a house is a round about way of getting at the "stated problem"
> If noise is the problem regulate that. If parking is a problem regulate that. The only problem I see with the number of people living in one house would be a potential safety problem.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:57:07 -0700
> To: Tom Ivie the_ivies3 at yahoo.com, Moscow Vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Discrimination
> 
> > Tom Ivie,
> >    
> >   Lowering the number of occupants per housing unit by law increases demand for more apartments and housing units, driving the cost up. With rents up even more, renters are further soaked again by limiting the number of people they can split rent with. 
> >    
> >   Moscow is a college town. Students cannot afford much more that $300 piece for rent. IF Moscow raises its rents, the number of students returning to UI will reduce because they cannot afford to live in the city with no jobs and unaffordable housing. Many of them will elect elsewhere to attend like BSU, Albertson, NNU, ISU, LCSC or the new junior college in Nampa. But this is a good move for the socialists agenda of destroying the Moscow economy through relentless unneeded government regulation. 
> >    
> >   Best,
> >    
> >   Donovan
> > 
> > Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >   Doesn't it include a CUP process?  As I understand it, and I could be wrong, lowering the number brings Moscow more in-line with the codified number that the majority of cities our size use.  
> > 
> > Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:     "These three people [(Pall, Ament and Lamar)] feel that counting unrelated people in a
> > dwelling will solve noise and parking problems in residential
> > neighborhoods."
> >    
> >   Mr. Busch is correct on this point. I think counting the number of unrelated people is discriminatory. When I worked at Inclusion North there were often several people with disabilities living in one home because they cannot afford their own place on a $660 a month SSI check, especially in a city like Moscow. There are many poor, disabled, and elderly people that MUST live together in one dwelling for economic survival. This code is a raw deal for those that are in need of affordable housing. Another example of elitist socialists trying to make everyone live like them regardless of their financial situations. The City Council members are saying, "Let them eat cake", or in this case, let them live in an apartment with only two people if they can only afford to live in an apartment with four others. 
> >    
> >   And on the other side of the coin, a family of two adults with two teenagers can be very noisy and make life for their neighbors intolerable. Why not limit how many teenagers can live in one household, or how many babies a single mom can have? It would be just as unfair. 
> >    
> >   An unjust law, clearly invented by people living in nice homes with secure incomes. I hope the newly elected city council will reverse this piece of discrimination. 
> >    
> >   If Moscow would allow for the building of affordable housing for what people actually earn in Moscow we would not have 5 students or 5 people on SSI living in one housing unit. And BTW, Moscow has more people per housing unit then any other city in the state according the BLS. 
> >    
> >   Best,
> >    
> >   Donovan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> >   In a letter to the editor of the Lewiston Tribune, published today
> > (September 16, 2007), Steve Busch suggests that "enforcing existing law
> > [Moscow Zoning Code] is all that is necessary."
> > 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Comments made in a letter to the editor authored by local attorney Jack
> > Porter and published in the Sept. 12 Lewiston Tribune cannot be ignored. On
> > Sept. 4, the current city council voted 3-2 to change Moscow's city code in
> > an attempt to deal with a real problem. 
> > 
> > Unfortunately, the majority (Pall, Ament and Lamar) threw the baby out with
> > the bath water. These three people feel that counting unrelated people in a
> > dwelling will solve noise and parking problems in residential neighborhoods.
> > 
> > 
> > The Greater Moscow Alliance feel enforcing existing law is all that is
> > necessary. We said so in a letter presented to the council on Sept. 10 (to
> > see a copy visit www.greatermoscow.org). Mr. Porter thinks this is evidence
> > the GMA is insensitive to Moscow citizens' cherished life style. Nothing
> > could be further from the truth. GMA is working hard to educate the public
> > about issues and candidates. 
> > 
> > I urge all Moscow voters to ask candidates for city council tough questions.
> > Listen carefully to the answers and vote your conscience.
> > 
> > Steve Busch
> > President
> > Greater Moscow Alliance
> > Moscow
> > 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Questions, Mr. Busch: How often, and how selective, should enforcement of
> > zoning codes be enforced? Instead of amending the current code ad nauseam
> > and allowing for conditional use permits every time somebody violates
> > "existing law", should we draw the proverbial line in the sand, much like
> > the Raven, strongly proclaim "Ne'er more", and further demand that those
> > entities that are currently in violation of the zoning code move elsewhere?
> > 
> > Reminder, folks!
> > http://tinyurl.com/36ghxk
> > 
> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > 
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> > 
> > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
> > students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
> > 
> > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
> > 
> > 
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