[Vision2020] FW: principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 16 17:58:54 PDT 2007
Apparently, this did not go through the first time....
J :]
From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com
To: london at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:41:56 -0700
Not to mention that our downtown will be taken over by a bunch of zealots that will NOT allow things to grow or develop in productive and diverse ways. Gays, blacks, the poor ALL will be left swinging in the wind with no place to go and nothing to do as all the jobs will be taken over by the kirkers.
J :]
From: london at moscow.com
To: jampot at roadrunner.com; thansen at moscow.com; pkraut at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:14:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
The Christ Church leadership is committed to buying
downtown property for "strategic" (Doug Wilson's word) or "political" (my word)
reasons, not religious ones. The church wants to take over
downtown.
Downtown property (Central Business District) may
be taxed at a common rate with other properties, but each individual downtown
property is more valuable (and thus pays more property tax) than similar parcels
located elsewhere. So, when those downtown parcels are bought by Christ
Church, Moscow takes a big hit in revenue.
Diluting the Central Business District with
churches and schools (as is the Christ Church plan) creates a less vibrant
downtown with fewer businesses and many more parking problems.
BL
----- Original Message -----
From:
g.
crabtree
To: Tom Hansen ; 'Pat Kraut' ; 'vision2020'
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:26
PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of
Developers of the Palouse LLC
OK t, I'll try this one last time and slow
it way down for you. We can't be taking "the next step" when it's clear that
lesson one has not been properly integrated.
1. Property used for church related activities
will be tax exempt whether it's downtown, mid-town, or on the outskirts
of our little burg.
2. Property in the CBD is not taxed at a
different rate than property anywhere else. The tax loss is the same whether
it's downtown, mid-town, or on the outskirts of our little burg.
3. Property owned by a church that is NOT
used for church related activities IS taxed, just the same as all other
similar properties such as the others that are downtown, mid-town, or on the
outskirts of our little burg. A prime example of this would be the space
occupied by the restaurant in the NSA building.
4. Property owned by church members that is not
used for church related activities is taxed, just the same as all other
similar properties such as the others that are downtown, mid-town, or on the
outskirts of our little burg. Examples of this would include Bucer's,
Hall Closet, and the former Goodwill location. All owned by local hard
working, tax paying, law abiding citizens.
5. Having dozens of under utilized buildings is
an expense that no small church can afford. Simply from a maintenance stand
point it would make no sense to have them lay fallow. This should calm
your fears that a local ministry will buy up all of the CBD and eliminate
Moscow's tax base.
Thank you for your time, you may now go back
to posting photos of the same signs we all drive past every day.
g
----- Original Message -----
From:
Tom Hansen
To: 'g. crabtree' ; 'Pat Kraut' ; 'vision2020'
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 7:56
AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] principals of
Developers of the Palouse LLC
Very, very good, g
–
Now, let’s move on
to the next step, ok?
The key word in
central business district is BUSINESS. And, yes, I am going to “fall back”
(as you say) on the “T” word (taxes).
Businesses located
in the central business district paying taxes. That is what helps a
community grow. NOT tax-exempt churches, schools, etc. etc., all
managed by the same piss ant group of sock puppets with nothing better to do
than whine about ever-increasing property taxes that become the burden of
local hard-working, tax-paying, law-abiding
proprietors.
As much as I would
love to sit here and explain reality to you, there is an election coming up
and I have miles to go before I sleep.
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom
Hansen
Moscow,
Idaho
"We're a town of
about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very
active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March
28, 2007)
From: g.
crabtree [mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 7:26
AM
To: Tom Hansen; 'Pat
Kraut'; 'vision2020'
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of
Developers of the Palouse LLC
Question,
th
Of all the property in the
central business district, what percent is owned by CC? One percent? Maybe
two?
Lets follow your query to its
logical end. CC owns fifty to sixty percent of the CBD. So what? Please
don't fall back on the property tax issue since we all know that church
property, used for church purposes will be tax exempt no matter where it is,
downtown or elsewhere. If it's owned by the church or its members and
used for commercial purposes it will be taxed the same as any other parcel.
With this being the case, why
would it matter if they were to own every square inch of downtown Moscow? What exactly
would be the down side? The maddening rectal itch you might receive from
such a turn of events really doesn't
count.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hansen
To: 'Pat Kraut' ;
'vision2020'
Sent:
Saturday, September 15, 2007 6:50 AM
Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse
LLC
Question, PK
–
Of ALL the
churches of ALL the countries throughout the world, which ONE owns (and is
buying up) property in the central business district of Moscow, Idaho?
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom
Hansen
Moscow,
Idaho
“I’ll just speak
for our church, in Christ Church. If I found out that a
member of our church or a church officer was lying to non-believers in the
community, as a way to get by or protect themself or protect his
reputation, yes, he’d be disciplined.”
- Doug Wilson (January 31,
2007)
From:
vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Pat
Kraut
Sent: Friday,
September 14, 2007 10:19 PM
To: vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals
of Developers of the Palouse LLC
And, I would ask if you are
aware of how much property is owned by groups or individuals in this
area that have nothing to do with CC? The catholic church? The Mormons?
The whoever?? This is persecution of one group against whom you have a
personal vendetta and has nothing to do with the community as a
whole...get over it! 07 11:45
AM
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----- Original Message -----
From:
Tom Hansen
To: 'g. crabtree' ; 'Pat Kraut' ; 'vision2020'
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 7:56
AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] principals of
Developers of the Palouse LLC
Very, very good, g
–
Now, let’s move on
to the next step, ok?
The key word in
central business district is BUSINESS. And, yes, I am going to “fall back”
(as you say) on the “T” word (taxes).
Businesses located
in the central business district paying taxes. That is what helps a
community grow. NOT tax-exempt churches, schools, etc. etc., all
managed by the same piss ant group of sock puppets with nothing better to do
than whine about ever-increasing property taxes that become the burden of
local hard-working, tax-paying, law-abiding
proprietors.
As much as I would
love to sit here and explain reality to you, there is an election coming up
and I have miles to go before I sleep.
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom
Hansen
Moscow,
Idaho
"We're a town of
about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very
active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March
28, 2007)
From: g.
crabtree [mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 7:26
AM
To: Tom Hansen; 'Pat
Kraut'; 'vision2020'
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of
Developers of the Palouse LLC
Question,
th
Of all the property in the
central business district, what percent is owned by CC? One percent? Maybe
two?
Lets follow your query to its
logical end. CC owns fifty to sixty percent of the CBD. So what? Please
don't fall back on the property tax issue since we all know that church
property, used for church purposes will be tax exempt no matter where it is,
downtown or elsewhere. If it's owned by the church or its members and
used for commercial purposes it will be taxed the same as any other parcel.
With this being the case, why
would it matter if they were to own every square inch of downtown Moscow? What exactly
would be the down side? The maddening rectal itch you might receive from
such a turn of events really doesn't
count.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hansen
To: 'Pat Kraut' ;
'vision2020'
Sent:
Saturday, September 15, 2007 6:50 AM
Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse
LLC
Question, PK
–
Of ALL the
churches of ALL the countries throughout the world, which ONE owns (and is
buying up) property in the central business district of Moscow, Idaho?
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom
Hansen
Moscow,
Idaho
“I’ll just speak
for our church, in Christ Church. If I found out that a
member of our church or a church officer was lying to non-believers in the
community, as a way to get by or protect themself or protect his
reputation, yes, he’d be disciplined.”
- Doug Wilson (January 31,
2007)
From:
vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Pat
Kraut
Sent: Friday,
September 14, 2007 10:19 PM
To: vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals
of Developers of the Palouse LLC
And, I would ask if you are
aware of how much property is owned by groups or individuals in this
area that have nothing to do with CC? The catholic church? The Mormons?
The whoever?? This is persecution of one group against whom you have a
personal vendetta and has nothing to do with the community as a
whole...get over it! 07 11:45
AM
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serving the
communities of the Palouse since 1994.
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