[Vision2020] No Charges For Men Who Pointed Guns at One Another at Tattoo Parlor

Fri Sep 14 17:20:18 PDT 2007

Sunil - what the Mayor actually said is debatable and apparently depends on
the news source (imagine that)

KHQ (and other TV news sources)
August 9, 2007
. . .Rausch's idea also contradicts that of Moscow Mayor Nancy Chaney.  Late
last month she asked for a legal opinion from the attorney general's office
on whether the city has the authority to ban both concealed and exposed
weapons IN PUBLIC AREAS . . .

ASSOCIATED PRESS, The Oregonian (and other newspapers)
August 4, 2007
. . .the mayor wants to know whether Moscow can ban guns on city property.
Mayor Nancy Chaney has asked for a legal opinion from the state attorney
general's office on whether the city has the authority to ban both concealed
and exposed weapons IN SUCH PUBLIC AREAS . . .

As far as the situation in question, since the guns were put away before the
police arrived, there was no probable cause to charge anyone.  There were
"reports of a fight, involving weapons" but this becomes a he said / she
said matter of hearsay.  Since neither individual threatened by the other
with a weapon wanted to press charges, the police had no choice but to
release them.

There was no "illegal use of a firearm" (one was not discharged in city
limits no used in the commission of any other crime); one does not need
"proper documentation" to carry a firearm in plain sight; and there is no
law against possessing a firearm in the city limits.

Once again J is batting 0.00.  Keep up the good work

GS

On 9/14/07, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> No fear, no assault.
>
> Just to clarify, and only for that purpose, I don't think Nancy has ever
> said it's her position that you can't have a gun in town, or carry it in
> town.  I believe she asked the Attorney General if the city could control
> possession of guns in city buildings.  I bet she wouldn't oppose my
> packing
> one around my office, though I'd probably misplace it as I do my keys.
>
> Sunil
>
>
> >From: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] No Charges For Men Who Pointed Guns at One
> >Another at     Tattoo Parlor
> >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:06:01 -0700
> >
> >
> >Is the Moscow Police Department stand that unless a threat is actually
> >voiced, no violence is intended or implied by guns that are being pointed
> >at another person?  The very fact that a "fight" had ensued implies
> >violence, yes?
> >
> >You're kidding me, right?!
> >
> >So who were the actors in this farce?
> >
> >J  :]
> >
> >
> > > From: thansen at moscow.com
> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:57:30 -0700
> > > Subject: [Vision2020] No Charges For Men Who Pointed Guns at One
> Another
> >at     Tattoo Parlor
> > >
> > > As a preface to the following article I offer a compromise, a
> compromise
> > > between allowing every citizen to carry handguns and Mayor Chaney's
> > > suggested policy of disallowing anybody from carrying a firearm in
> town.
> > >
> > > My offered compromise is quite simple.  Each and every person would be
> > > permitted to carry firearms in town.  They simply cannot possess
> >bullets.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > >From today's (September 14, 2007) Moscow-Pullman Daily News -
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > No charges for men who pointed guns at one another at tattoo parlor
> > >
> > > Staff report
> > >
> > > Moscow police detained four men outside Untamed Art Tattoo parlor
> >Thursday
> > > afternoon following a report of a fight involving weapons.
> > >
> > > Two of the men had been in an argument at the parlor and pointed guns
> at
> > > each other, Moscow Assistant Police Chief David Duke said. While
> taking
> >the
> > > men's statements, however, police determined "no threats of violence
> or
> >no
> > > fear was initiated on the part of either one."
> > >
> > > Since police determined the men were not in fear of being harmed and
> >neither
> > > man wanted to pursue criminal charges, they were released, Duke said.
> >The
> > > other two men were detained because police did not initially know how
> >many
> > > people were involved in the fight.
> > >
> > > The fight was reported shortly after 2 p.m. at the tattoo parlor at
> 230
> >West
> > > Third St. The two men, a 37-year-old Moscow resident and a 51-year-old
> > > Moscow resident, argued orally about a "difference of opinion" but did
> >not
> > > become physical, Duke said.
> > >
> > > At some point during the argument the men pointed guns at each other -
> >the
> > > 37-year-old had a Derringer and the 51-year-old had a semiautomatic
> >handgun,
> > > Duke said. The guns had been put away when police arrived.
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > >
> > > Tom Hansen
> > > Moscow, Idaho
> > >
> > > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The
> college
> > > students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
> > >
> > > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
> > >
> > >
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