[Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 14 15:47:53 PDT 2007
Em, it was YOU that stated there was a group with money and a group with property....YOU prove Mr. Beebe didn't realize who he was selling to. As far as "some people might be given gainful employment"...well, yes! Of course CC hires kirkers all the time. Thing is, they BRING THEM IN TO TOWN and then hire them. All this does in increase the kirker population/employment and absolutely none of those from town (i.e. non-kirkers) gets work. And since every one of these properties are claimed for "religious purposes" they DON'T PAY TAXES!!!
So where is the "up side to all this"?
J :]
From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:28:12 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
And I'm afraid that trotting out the trite trope does
little to back up your argument, Ms. Ford. If you were to provide a little
documentation to back up your pet conspiracy theory (or even make it clear what
it is that the dastardly conspirators are plotting other than the standard "all
my enemies are evil and out to get us shtick) it might hasten the scales
falling from my eyes. So far the worst thing that I can see is that some
property might be developed, some homes (and a church) might be built, and some
people might be given gainful employment. Perhaps you would care to point out
exactly where the down side comes in?
g
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From:
J
Ford
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:42
AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of
Developers of the Palouse LLC
"None is as blind as the one who refuses to see the truth in
front of him."
Take the blinders off, Mr. C.
J
:]
From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Fri,
14 Sep 2007 07:02:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of
Developers of the Palouse LLC
J:] says:
"... Rick Beebe played the sympathy card when he
"disclosed" that he had been "tricked into selling" to a group he supposedly
did not realize were the true buyers."
I don't know if that is true or not. Perhaps you could
provide a cite. I don't know Mr. Bebee well but he doesn't strike me as a
fool. Perhaps you are wrong about his purported claim or perhaps he thought
he was selling the property to Mr. Hoffman, a man who does buy property in
downtown Moscow that isn't connected with your favorite bump in the night.
Either way I'm still sure that there is no requirement that you or the
community at large be kept apprised of the ins and outs of the transaction.
As to where the money comes from this to is not a matter for public scrutiny
either. Did you look into the particulars regarding the latest LDS
construction project on War Bonnet or the Baptists effort on Fairview and
report breathlessly on their financial arrangements? Who sold the property
to who and where the money to pay for it came from? I thought
not.
"Its only a matter of a year and I can GUARANTEE you that NSA will
be requesting the City Council to allow them to expand to over 200 students,
the current amount allowed."
I don't know what this has to do with the topic at
hand but, I would have to say that I don't see why they should wait a year.
They have complied with the city councils requirements for parking and
should be allowed to immediately expand to their maximum allowed
enrolment.
What all of this looks like to me is various
combinations of people with land, money, expertise and desire combining to
try and make a living and make Moscow a better place to live while
they're at it. I don't see where guilt or innocence enters into the
picture.
g
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Original Message -----
From:
J
Ford
To:
vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent:
Friday, September 14, 2007 5:30 AM
Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
Ah, yes...generally the scenario you set up is fine and
dandy. But, Rick Beebe played the sympathy card when he "disclosed"
that he had been "tricked into selling" to a group he supposedly did not
realize were the true buyers. AND, if it truly was a sale that was
on the up-and-up, why did it go through one buyer before it went to the
"real" buyer, that being CC or Dougie? Why the subterfuges?
And if this "group with money to spend" truly has money to spend, why the
scramble for the members to raise more and more by selling and down
sizing? Most buyers would have the sense to have money in pocket
before a sale goes through so they don't get caught with their pants
around the ankles and nothing to show for it. Dougie has been on a
campaign all over his "kingdom" raising funds and getting people to commit
to both the buying of the property across from Gritman for his "cathedral"
as well as getting new kirker blood into Moscow and into his new
development on N Polk. And now he wants to change the PUD for THAT
property in order to allow for more borders to get into those new
houses.
Its only a matter of a year and I can GUARANTEE you that
NSA will be requesting the City Council to allow them to expand to over
200 students, the current amount allowed.
And just to clear the
air, since you seem to have all the answers - why is it that Rick and his
bunch are now fronting the new development in the County? Last year,
the petition was filed by Mike Hoffman. Why the switch?
Hmmm.......seems like a lot of back-room-fanagaling going on between those
two groups.
But, like you said - one group has money and another
has property....all this looks innocent to you?
J :]
From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com;
vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:18:46
-0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the
Palouse LLC
So what, exactly is there to be unhappy about? A
group with money to spend and a group with property to sell got
together and transacted a mutually agreeable business deal. I don't
think that it's currently necessary to poll the community before
finalizing this kind of arrangement, at least not yet. With out a
change in city governance this November it's hard telling what we might
end up being subjected to. It's not difficult imagining Nancy, queen of
the naught and her like minded henchmen being only too happy to review
private transactions and withhold their stamp of approval from anything
that doesn't meet their anti growth, anti business, left wing
agenda.
g
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Original Message -----
From:
J Ford
To:
vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent:
Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:12 AM
Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
Which absolutely proves what I was told earlier this
week - Rick Beebe DID know who was buying his property across from
Gritman. He figured if he played the poor fool that was jerked
off by Dougie and his bunch, people would look the other way on his
other projects. In other words, he's playing the "sympathy
card". Too bad, Rick - people so know what
you did and are NOT happy.
Wonder if the IRS is aware that
you're back to your old tricks?
J :]
From: dfrench at moscow.com
To: whayman at roadrummer.com;
vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:34:11
-0700
Subject: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the
Palouse LLC
The answer is:
Larry Germer, Richard Beebe, Jeff Eisinger, Karl
Tyler, according to records filed with the Idaho Secretary of State
(here's the link: http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/search.html?ScriptForm.startstep=viewentity&ScriptForm.startScriptForm.start.ScriptStepView.viewentityFILEvalue=W46038 )
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:52:04 -0700
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"Warren Hayman" <whayman at roadrunner.com>
Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Amended Agenda for the Latah
County
ZoningCommission Special and Regular Meetings September
19, 2007
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<vision2020 at moscow.com>,
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Does anyone know
who Developers of the Palouse, LLC is?
Warren
Hayman
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