[Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
g. crabtree
jampot at roadrunner.com
Fri Sep 14 15:28:12 PDT 2007
And I'm afraid that trotting out the trite trope does little to back up your argument, Ms. Ford. If you were to provide a little documentation to back up your pet conspiracy theory (or even make it clear what it is that the dastardly conspirators are plotting other than the standard "all my enemies are evil and out to get us shtick) it might hasten the scales falling from my eyes. So far the worst thing that I can see is that some property might be developed, some homes (and a church) might be built, and some people might be given gainful employment. Perhaps you would care to point out exactly where the down side comes in?
g
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From: J Ford
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
"None is as blind as the one who refuses to see the truth in front of him."
Take the blinders off, Mr. C.
J :]
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From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:02:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
J:] says:
"... Rick Beebe played the sympathy card when he "disclosed" that he had been "tricked into selling" to a group he supposedly did not realize were the true buyers."
I don't know if that is true or not. Perhaps you could provide a cite. I don't know Mr. Bebee well but he doesn't strike me as a fool. Perhaps you are wrong about his purported claim or perhaps he thought he was selling the property to Mr. Hoffman, a man who does buy property in downtown Moscow that isn't connected with your favorite bump in the night. Either way I'm still sure that there is no requirement that you or the community at large be kept apprised of the ins and outs of the transaction. As to where the money comes from this to is not a matter for public scrutiny either. Did you look into the particulars regarding the latest LDS construction project on War Bonnet or the Baptists effort on Fairview and report breathlessly on their financial arrangements? Who sold the property to who and where the money to pay for it came from? I thought not.
"Its only a matter of a year and I can GUARANTEE you that NSA will be requesting the City Council to allow them to expand to over 200 students, the current amount allowed."
I don't know what this has to do with the topic at hand but, I would have to say that I don't see why they should wait a year. They have complied with the city councils requirements for parking and should be allowed to immediately expand to their maximum allowed enrolment.
What all of this looks like to me is various combinations of people with land, money, expertise and desire combining to try and make a living and make Moscow a better place to live while they're at it. I don't see where guilt or innocence enters into the picture.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: J Ford
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
Ah, yes...generally the scenario you set up is fine and dandy. But, Rick Beebe played the sympathy card when he "disclosed" that he had been "tricked into selling" to a group he supposedly did not realize were the true buyers. AND, if it truly was a sale that was on the up-and-up, why did it go through one buyer before it went to the "real" buyer, that being CC or Dougie? Why the subterfuges? And if this "group with money to spend" truly has money to spend, why the scramble for the members to raise more and more by selling and down sizing? Most buyers would have the sense to have money in pocket before a sale goes through so they don't get caught with their pants around the ankles and nothing to show for it. Dougie has been on a campaign all over his "kingdom" raising funds and getting people to commit to both the buying of the property across from Gritman for his "cathedral" as well as getting new kirker blood into Moscow and into his new development on N Polk. And now he wants to change the PUD for THAT property in order to allow for more borders to get into those new houses.
Its only a matter of a year and I can GUARANTEE you that NSA will be requesting the City Council to allow them to expand to over 200 students, the current amount allowed.
And just to clear the air, since you seem to have all the answers - why is it that Rick and his bunch are now fronting the new development in the County? Last year, the petition was filed by Mike Hoffman. Why the switch? Hmmm.......seems like a lot of back-room-fanagaling going on between those two groups.
But, like you said - one group has money and another has property....all this looks innocent to you?
J :]
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From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:18:46 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
So what, exactly is there to be unhappy about? A group with money to spend and a group with property to sell got together and transacted a mutually agreeable business deal. I don't think that it's currently necessary to poll the community before finalizing this kind of arrangement, at least not yet. With out a change in city governance this November it's hard telling what we might end up being subjected to. It's not difficult imagining Nancy, queen of the naught and her like minded henchmen being only too happy to review private transactions and withhold their stamp of approval from anything that doesn't meet their anti growth, anti business, left wing agenda.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: J Ford
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
Which absolutely proves what I was told earlier this week - Rick Beebe DID know who was buying his property across from Gritman. He figured if he played the poor fool that was jerked off by Dougie and his bunch, people would look the other way on his other projects. In other words, he's playing the "sympathy card". Too bad, Rick - people so know what you did and are NOT happy.
Wonder if the IRS is aware that you're back to your old tricks?
J :]
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From: dfrench at moscow.com
To: whayman at roadrummer.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:34:11 -0700
Subject: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
The answer is:
Larry Germer, Richard Beebe, Jeff Eisinger, Karl Tyler, according to records filed with the Idaho Secretary of State
(here's the link: http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/search.html?ScriptForm.startstep=viewentity&ScriptForm.startScriptForm.start.ScriptStepView.viewentityFILEvalue=W46038 )
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:52:04 -0700
From: "Warren Hayman" <whayman at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Amended Agenda for the Latah County
ZoningCommission Special and Regular Meetings September 19, 2007
To: "Bruce and Jean Livingston" <jeanlivingston at turbonet.com>,
<vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Aimee Shipman" <ashipman at latah.id.us>
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Does anyone know who Developers of the Palouse, LLC is?
Warren Hayman
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