[Vision2020] And the Count Continues . . .

Tue Oct 30 14:11:12 PDT 2007

I don't get why you are going on about Ament or anyone else's "track record" when you REFUSE to acknowledge the rotten, rotten track record of the CC and Doug Wilson.

How about the fact that NSA was ILLEGAL in not one but several places before brow-beating the council and committees into allowing them to stay where they are now - again, another ILLEGAL placement for their business?

How about the fact that Atlas tried the same hood-winking when they set up shop ILLEGALLY in the NuArt?

How about the fact that every project Mike Hoffman has started that has ANYthing to do with the CC has not only gotten approval but special treatment from the City?

How about the ILLEGAL tax-rip-off they have enjoyed over the past twenty (+) years?  Doug screams his "I'm not being political" all the while not only supporting but offering up candidates and speaking FROM THE PULPIT about issues that are very political in nature and have NOTHING to do with religion...outside of his twisted and demented little mind-set.

How about....................

Well, this list is totally endless when it comes to outlining the offenses that Doug, the CC and the whole kirker community has foisted unto our, the tax-paying citizens of Moscow's backs.

Again I say - None is so blind as the one that REFUSES to see.  I'd ask you to take off your blinders, GC, but I am beginning to believe they are now so permanently attached to your skin - it would be impossible for you to do so.

J  :]

From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: sslund at roadrunner.com; msolomon at moscow.com; mattd2107 at hotmail.com; thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:51:59 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] And the Count Continues . . .

And what deplorable tactics would those 
be? Mr. Glasebrook (the guy with the yellow sign, for the benefit of 
Mr. Hansen) feels strongly that the incumbent candidates discriminate against 
his church. I do not agree with him with regard to Lamar (His track record on 
council is too short and I have not heard him make any remarks that would 
bolster his claim) but, In the case of Ament and to a lesser extent Pall, I 
believe that he's right. Please remember the many anti-CC comments made by Mr. 
Ament before and during his campaign. Please recall that before his first city 
council meeting had much of a chance of getting off the ground he was attempting 
to create problems for NSA. Ms. Pall joined him in forcing unreasonable and 
discriminatory parking regulations on the college. Mr. Glasebrook has 
numerous reasons to believe what he does and it seems to me that he's well 
within his right to complain publicly. The fact that the target of his antipathy 
coincides with the GMA's desire to see an improved council does not mean that 
they are endorsing his actions or that he speaks for the GMA.

g

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Saundra 
  Lund 
  To: 'Mark Solomon' ; 'Matt 
  Decker' ; 'Tom Hansen' ; 'Moscow Vision 
  2020' 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:01 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] And the Count 
  Continues . . .

  Hi 
  Matt and Mark,

  Matt, 
  I absolutely agree with Mark:  please quit singling out only those 
  you disagree with to receive your slaps on the hand while remaining mute on 
  the truly deplorable tactics of those with whom you share more political 
  views.  It’s unseemly, it hurts your credibility, and it’s downright 
  unfair.

  IOW, 
  quit being part of the problem and start being part of the 
  solution!

  For 
  those who’ve not seen the Trib’s coverage of Moscow’s latest Kirker whack 
  job:

Dave 
  Glasebrook, holding the yellow sign, staged a campaign protest and triggered a 

  counter-protest at 
  the corner of Main and Third streets in downtown Moscow on Monday 
  evening.
   Moscow city 
  politics take a turn for the personal

  Sign-wielding 
  protester takes aim at three incumbents and draws response from wife of one 
  candidate and councilor
  By David Johnson 

  Tuesday, October 30, 
  2007
  MOSCOW - The 
  campaign for city council here took what some were calling a tawdry turn 
  Monday evening when a Moscow man displayed a sign alleging bigotry against 
  three incumbents.
  "This is a Christian 
  protest, not a vote protest," Dave Glasebrook said. "My big problem is that 
  here in Moscow there's been 20 years' worth of strife with Doug Wilson and 
  Christ Church."
  Standing on the 
  sidewalk at the intersection of Main and Third streets, Glasebrook carried a 
  yellow sign that read: "Vote the Bigot Party - Ament, Lamar, Pall." He said 
  the slogan was a sarcastic way to raise public 
awareness.
  Aaron Ament, Tom 
  Lamar and Linda Pall are incumbents running for re-election. Glasebrook 
  claimed the three are part of a continued campaign by city government to 
  harass Wilson, his church and New Saint Andrews College located in downtown 
  Moscow.
  "If I stand up and 
  say Christian men in America need to get on their knees and pray in order to 
  change how America is, in order to change what's going on in Moscow, Lewiston 
  and Idaho, people won't understand that," Glasebrook 
  said.
  So he decided to 
  take to the street with his sign, attracting the attention of motorists and 
  pedestrians including Lamar's wife, Aly Lamar, who stopped to mount a 
  counter-demonstration.
  "I'm here because I 
  was riding my bicycle home on Main Street and I saw Dave holding this sign and 
  it really took me by surprise that he was calling my husband, as well as other 
  candidates, a bigot," Lamar said, explaining she returned with one of her 
  husband's campaign signs to stand next to Glasebrook.
  Aly Lamar said 
  Glasebrook told her a number of reasons for his protest that boiled down to 
  claiming her husband voted with Ament and Pall on various issues against 
  Wilson, Christ Church and NSA. "So I discussed that with him a little bit, and 
  got worked up and started crying and frustrated and wanted to do something." 
  After realizing she and Glasebrook couldn't agree, Lamar said she decided to 
  go on the offensive.
  "So I thought if 
  he's going to have signs and visit with passers-by saying Tom is a bigot I 
  wanted to be here to let them know, in fact, that Tom is not a bigot," Lamar 
  said.
  Glasebrook claimed 
  Ament, in particular, overtly tried to force NSA out of the downtown area. He 
  said he was staging the protest on his own, not for or at the behest of 
  Wilson, or anyone associated with Christ Church or NSA. "This is to open 
  people's eyes, saying look at the bigotry in Moscow. Look at what's going on." 
  He said the city council is "not getting after the Muslims" or any other 
  faith, and that amounts to religious bigotry.
  "I just hope God 
  will use this sign and do something," Glasebrook said. "I can't change Aaron's 
  heart. I can't make him do something. I can't convince Tom to do something. 
  But I can get on my knees and I can pray that God will lead them to make right 
  decisions, not just decisions that are working against one group of Christians 
  in town."
  Ament showed up and 
  offered a terse take on Glasebrook's protest. "I think of the two of us, the 
  one that's guilty (of bigotry) is the one holding the sign," Ament said. "My 
  major crime is that I don't tolerate intolerance and that's what I've been 
  hung with. And I will never tolerate intolerance."
  Pall could not be 
  reached for comment.
  ---
  Johnson may be 
  contacted at 
deveryone at potlatch.com or (208) 
  883-0564.

  JMHO,
  Saundra 
  Lund
  Moscow, 
  ID

  The 
  only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do 
  nothing.
  ~ 
  Edmund Burke

  ***** 
  Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007 through life plus 70 
  years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside 
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  From: 
  vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On 
  Behalf Of Mark Solomon
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:04 
  AM
To: Matt Decker; Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 
  2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] And the Count Continues . . 
  .

  Matt,

  Up until Doug and Dave's antics of yesterday, I would have 
  agreed with you. Until I hear GMA and their candidates disavow Doug and Dave's 
  approach to elections in Moscow then the show fits. 
Sadly.

  m.

  At 6:55 AM -0700 10/30/07, Matt Decker 
  wrote:

    Tom,

Any time you want to stick with the facts and 
    quit the smear tactics would be great.

Matt

      From: thansen at moscow.com
To: 
      vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:30:34 -0700
Subject: 
      [Vision2020] And the Count Continues . . .

      Seeya round town, 
      Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"We're a town of about 
      23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very 
      active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

- Dale Courtney 
      (March 28, 2007)

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