[Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN

Tue Oct 16 16:04:38 PDT 2007

In part, Gary Crabtree wrote:

"No, I was referring to Ms. Lund's post which almost perfectly mirrored Mr.
Campbell's response. (no collusion there, I'm sure)"

Boy, talk about paranoia!

I'll repeat -- and add to -- what you posted to Joe Campbell:  it's a
doggone good thing you don't make your living as a gambling man, Mr.
Crabtree, because you'd be dead wrong.

I'll also add:  a man is known by the company he keeps.

If you choose to hang out with so-called "Christian" hate mongers who
specialize at collecting the writings -- for the sole purposes of taking
things out of context, twisting them to make imaginary phony points, and
holding them up for personal attacks by their creepy friends -- of those who
challenge their perverted worldview, then quit your whining and don't be
surprised when you find yourself painted by the same brush that aptly
applies to the company you choose to keep.  There are plenty of mentally
healthy, tolerant, truly Christian people in our community who share many of
your views, Mr. Crabtree - why don't you try seeking some of them out rather
than the dishonest, intolerant, fake "Christians" you seem to prefer?

Remember, credibility is priceless.

I'll bow out of the discussion at this point, so have at your predictable
personal attacks, Mr. Crabtree - I'm more than happy to let you have the
last word you seem to so desperately desire.

JMHO,

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of g. crabtree
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:10 PM
To: J Ford; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN

No, I was referring to Ms. Lund's post which almost perfectly mirrored Mr.
Campbell's response. (no collusion there, I'm sure) I don't know about Doug,
but my mother sorta thinks I'm special...

g

----- Original Message ----- 

From: J Ford <mailto:privatejf32 at hotmail.com>  

To: vision2020 at moscow.com 

Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:17 AM

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN

Gary says:  " I am sorry to disappoint you and your ladies aid society..."

Is this supposed to be an insult?  SUCH a kirker-like thing to do, Gary.
Dougie must be so very proud of you!

J :]

> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> To: joekc at adelphia.net
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:52:20 -0700
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
> 
> It's a doggone good thing you don't make your living as a gambling man,
Mr. 
> Campbell. I am sorry to disappoint you and your ladies aid society but 
> nothing in the post you reference was given to me by anyone else. It seems

> to me to be another example of your oversized ego to imagine that there is
a 
> group devoted to making you look foolish when it's clear that you have the

> situation so well in hand.
> 
> Of course, I have cross posted from the right mind site but I'm fairly
sure 
> I have cited it each time. Dale (nor any flavor of Doug) has no 
> responsibility for anything that I have written to you, ever. It would
seem 
> that you and your associates ongoing obsession is spilling over into 
> paranoia. And might I mention that the assertion coming from a conspiracy 
> theorist who, along with her fellow "researcher," keeps shoe boxes of
files 
> on their pet infatuation is an irony to amusing to ignore.
> 
> Regarding the supposed error I made in the use of the phrase "embracing 
> abortion," I'm sorry if I received the wrong impression from all the times

> you have trotted out your "clear harms to clear people" defense of the 
> practice. I'd dive back into the archives and provide reference for why I 
> may have reached the conclusion that I did but, it seems clear that being 
> held accountable for what you say makes you testy. Today I'll refrain.
> 
> This most recent rant on your part seems to center on the fact I made a 
> statement concerning your "ambiguous religious disposition." You take 
> exception and in defense state " I don't like to talk about the specifics
of 
> my religious beliefs. I speak in vague generalities. The comments were 
> vague..." When I go to Thesaurus.com the very first entry under "vague" is

> ambiguous. With this being the case, just exactly what is it that has you 
> going off on yet another of your incoherent and all too frequent rants?
> 
> In closing let me say that I find it quite odd and faintly disturbing that

> your concern over me is so all consuming that you would use it to
influence 
> your voting decisions. Maybe you could read up and attend a candidates
forum 
> or two? I'm fairly sure that my inconsequential blathering here on the V 
> doesn't quite make the candidates radar screen.
> 
> g
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>;
<vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
> 
> 
> Gary: "So when YOUR incongruous comments are pointed out, I'M a jackass."
> 
> No. You can't blame your jackassedness on my incongruous comments.
> 
> Gary: "I suppose no matter what happens in your life that's not quite to 
> your liking it will
> be someone else that's at fault."
> 
> No. I never said this. If you can point out where I said this I'd
appreciate 
> it. You seem to
> have access to a lot of my quotes and lots of time on your hands.
> 
> Gary: "I fail to see how supporting my contentions by providing reference
to 
> your actual
> words equals making fun of your religious beliefs. By the way, I don't 
> collect your
> quotes, the V2020 archive does. If you are embarrassed by what you have
said 
> in the past
> I don't see how I can be held accountable. Providing the full quote and a 
> reference to
> where it can be found is pretty much the exact opposite of quoting out of 
> context."
> 
> I stand by my words. You're MISSING THE POINT. The point is, you're a 
> jackass and
> I'm not going to take the trouble to explain my views any further since
you 
> don't really
> want to understand them. You want to ridicule them.
> 
> Also, did you find the quotes, or did someone give them to you? I bet you 
> won't answer
> this question! Have you ever published any information sent to you by a 
> member of
> Christ Church who's first initial is 'D'?
> 
> Gary: "I don't believe that pointing out inconsistency is the same as 
> ridicule ."
> 
> Of course it is not. But you didn't point out an inconsistency. You just 
> strung together a
> bunch of quotes that Doug, or Dale, or Doug FED YOU and supposed that that

> would do
> the trick. But you don't even understand the quotes. Which is why you
can't 
> spot an
> inconsistency. If I'm wrong, do it.
> 
> As I said in recent posts, I don't like to talk about the specifics of my 
> religious beliefs. I
> speak in vague generalities. The comments were vague - such is the nature
of 
> my
> comments. I'd like to know why you think they are inconsistent - but you
can't 
> say since
> this was not YOUR idea. Again, prove me wrong and explain the
inconsistency.
> 
> Gary: ". so, here's a challenge for you. Using the same technique, why
don't 
> you back
> up your assertion that I 'make fun of your religious beliefs.' Providing 
> actual examples of
> my dastardly ways would doubtless go quite a bit further than your 
> unsubstantiated whining."
> 
> You claimed that I "embrace abortion" and this is a lie. Where have I said

> this? I've said
> the opposite on numerous occasions. But you persist in this lie because
you 
> are a jackass.
> 
> I am using you as a litmus test for the coming election. I will ask each 
> candidate, "Do you
> think Gary Crabtree is a jackass"? If they say 'No,' I'm not voting for 
> them.
> 
> 
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