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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In part, Gary Crabtree wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>No,
I was referring to Ms. Lund's post which almost perfectly mirrored Mr.
Campbell's response. (no collusion there, I'm sure)”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Boy, talk about paranoia!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’ll repeat -- and add to -- what you posted to Joe
Campbell: i</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>t's a doggone good thing you don't make your living as a
gambling man, Mr. Crabtree, because you’d be dead wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’ll also add: a man is known by the company he
keeps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you choose to hang out with so-called “Christian”
hate mongers who specialize at collecting the writings -- for the sole purposes
of taking things out of context, twisting them to make imaginary phony points,
and holding them up for personal attacks by their creepy friends -- of those
who challenge their perverted worldview, then quit your whining and don’t
be surprised when you find yourself painted by the same brush that aptly
applies to the company you <b>choose</b> to keep. There are plenty of
mentally healthy, tolerant, truly Christian people in our community who share
many of your views, Mr. Crabtree – why don’t you try seeking some
of them out rather than the dishonest, intolerant, fake “Christians”
you seem to prefer?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Remember, credibility is priceless.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’ll bow out of the discussion at this point, so have at
your predictable personal attacks, Mr. Crabtree – I’m more than
happy to let you have the last word you seem to so desperately desire.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>JMHO,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>g. crabtree<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> J Ford; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>No,
I was referring to Ms. Lund's post which almost perfectly mirrored Mr.
Campbell's response. (no collusion there, I'm sure) I don't know about Doug,
but my mother sorta thinks I'm special...</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>g</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"
title="privatejf32@hotmail.com">J Ford</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" title="vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, October 16,
2007 9:17 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Vision2020]
Coulter's Dream - from CNN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Gary says: " I am sorry to
disappoint you and your ladies aid society..."<br>
<br>
Is this supposed to be an insult? <i>SUCH</i> a kirker-like thing to do,
Gary. Dougie must be so very proud of you!<br>
<br>
J :]<br>
<br>
<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</a><br>
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:52:20 -0700<br>
> CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>; <a
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN<br>
> <br>
> It's a doggone good thing you don't make your living as a gambling man,
Mr. <br>
> Campbell. I am sorry to disappoint you and your ladies aid society but <br>
> nothing in the post you reference was given to me by anyone else. It seems
<br>
> to me to be another example of your oversized ego to imagine that there is
a <br>
> group devoted to making you look foolish when it's clear that you have the
<br>
> situation so well in hand.<br>
> <br>
> Of course, I have cross posted from the right mind site but I'm fairly
sure <br>
> I have cited it each time. Dale (nor any flavor of Doug) has no <br>
> responsibility for anything that I have written to you, ever. It would
seem <br>
> that you and your associates ongoing obsession is spilling over into <br>
> paranoia. And might I mention that the assertion coming from a conspiracy <br>
> theorist who, along with her fellow "researcher," keeps shoe
boxes of files <br>
> on their pet infatuation is an irony to amusing to ignore.<br>
> <br>
> Regarding the supposed error I made in the use of the phrase
"embracing <br>
> abortion," I'm sorry if I received the wrong impression from all the
times <br>
> you have trotted out your "clear harms to clear people" defense
of the <br>
> practice. I'd dive back into the archives and provide reference for why I <br>
> may have reached the conclusion that I did but, it seems clear that being <br>
> held accountable for what you say makes you testy. Today I'll refrain.<br>
> <br>
> This most recent rant on your part seems to center on the fact I made a <br>
> statement concerning your "ambiguous religious disposition." You
take <br>
> exception and in defense state " I don’t like to talk about the
specifics of <br>
> my religious beliefs. I speak in vague generalities. The comments were <br>
> vague..." When I go to Thesaurus.com the very first entry under
"vague" is <br>
> ambiguous. With this being the case, just exactly what is it that has you <br>
> going off on yet another of your incoherent and all too frequent rants?<br>
> <br>
> In closing let me say that I find it quite odd and faintly disturbing that
<br>
> your concern over me is so all consuming that you would use it to
influence <br>
> your voting decisions. Maybe you could read up and attend a candidates
forum <br>
> or two? I'm fairly sure that my inconsequential blathering here on the V <br>
> doesn't quite make the candidates radar screen.<br>
> <br>
> g<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc@adelphia.net><br>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com><br>
> Cc: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>;
<vision2020@moscow.com><br>
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:53 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Gary: “So when YOUR incongruous comments are pointed out, I'M a
jackass.”<br>
> <br>
> No. You can’t blame your jackassedness on my incongruous comments.<br>
> <br>
> Gary: “I suppose no matter what happens in your life that's not
quite to <br>
> your liking it will<br>
> be someone else that's at fault.”<br>
> <br>
> No. I never said this. If you can point out where I said this I’d
appreciate <br>
> it. You seem to<br>
> have access to a lot of my quotes and lots of time on your hands.<br>
> <br>
> Gary: “I fail to see how supporting my contentions by providing
reference to <br>
> your actual<br>
> words equals making fun of your religious beliefs. By the way, I don't <br>
> collect your<br>
> quotes, the V2020 archive does. If you are embarrassed by what you have
said <br>
> in the past<br>
> I don't see how I can be held accountable. Providing the full quote and a <br>
> reference to<br>
> where it can be found is pretty much the exact opposite of quoting out of <br>
> context.”<br>
> <br>
> I stand by my words. You’re MISSING THE POINT. The point is,
you’re a <br>
> jackass and<br>
> I’m not going to take the trouble to explain my views any further
since you <br>
> don’t really<br>
> want to understand them. You want to ridicule them.<br>
> <br>
> Also, did you find the quotes, or did someone give them to you? I bet you <br>
> won’t answer<br>
> this question! Have you ever published any information sent to you by a <br>
> member of<br>
> Christ Church who’s first initial is ‘D’?<br>
> <br>
> Gary: “I don't believe that pointing out inconsistency is the same
as <br>
> ridicule …”<br>
> <br>
> Of course it is not. But you didn’t point out an inconsistency. You
just <br>
> strung together a<br>
> bunch of quotes that Doug, or Dale, or Doug FED YOU and supposed that that
<br>
> would do<br>
> the trick. But you don’t even understand the quotes. Which is why
you can’t <br>
> spot an<br>
> inconsistency. If I’m wrong, do it.<br>
> <br>
> As I said in recent posts, I don’t like to talk about the specifics
of my <br>
> religious beliefs. I<br>
> speak in vague generalities. The comments were vague – such is the
nature of <br>
> my<br>
> comments. I’d like to know why you think they are inconsistent
– but you can’t <br>
> say since<br>
> this was not YOUR idea. Again, prove me wrong and explain the
inconsistency.<br>
> <br>
> Gary: “… so, here's a challenge for you. Using the same
technique, why don't <br>
> you back<br>
> up your assertion that I ‘make fun of your religious beliefs.’
Providing <br>
> actual examples of<br>
> my dastardly ways would doubtless go quite a bit further than your <br>
> unsubstantiated whining.”<br>
> <br>
> You claimed that I “embrace abortion” and this is a lie. Where
have I said <br>
> this? I’ve said<br>
> the opposite on numerous occasions. But you persist in this lie because
you <br>
> are a jackass.<br>
> <br>
> I am using you as a litmus test for the coming election. I will ask each <br>
> candidate, “Do you<br>
> think Gary Crabtree is a jackass”? If they say ‘No,’
I’m not voting for <br>
> them.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
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