[Vision2020] Noise Ordinance-Fix It

Fri Oct 5 10:55:12 PDT 2007

Hi Tom,

Here’s the applicable part of Sec. 5-12. Nuisance by Animals.

“B. 1. It shall be unlawful for any person to own, keep, control or harbor
any animal which by any barking, howling, whining, crowing or by any source
or cry, disturbs or is likely to disturb the peace and quiet of any

reasonable person. Provided that no person shall be prosecuted under this
subsection unless:

a. Written notice of the noise has been issued by a law enforcement officer
to the property owner or person in

possession of the property wherein the animal is located, or the animal’s
owner, keeper, controller or harborer, or is left at the premises where the
animal is located, at least twenty-four (24) hours but not more than thirty
(30) days prior to the filing of a formal complaint; and

b. The noise upon which such complaint is issued has been witnessed by a law
enforcement officer.”

I don’t know that there are any perfect solutions.  I agree that we are a
college town and have to expect some boisterousness, but it’s a little more
difficult to take when, for instance, college students are partying hardy
outside your bedroom window at 3 AM (and have been for hours), you ask them
to move it inside because you have to be up at 6 AM to teach summer school,
and they refuse.

Or, when you have friends over for dessert on your deck, and you have to
listen to the insane ferocious barking of several dogs in a nearby yard for
long enough that it drives you from your property at 6:30 PM, and the dogs
are still barking when you return at 10 PM, and the dogs continue to bark
incessantly until after the bars close.

[The two examples above are real-life examples from right here in Moscow.]

The last thing most of us ever want to do is alienate neighbors, and calling
the cops to complain definitely falls into the “alienation” category.  I’ve
never called the cops about noise, so I don’t know how they’d respond, but
in looking at the police daily log online, it seems clear that noise is a
pretty significant problem for some people or in some areas of town.  From
that perspective, I can understand why some people think things need to be
changed.  It’s difficult to be reasonable when you’re dealing with
inconsiderate neighbors who keep you from sleeping.

Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
- Edmund Burke 

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Ivie
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:58 AM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Noise Ordinance-Fix It

I think there is a barking dog ordinance that is separate from this noise
ordinance, what does it say?  Does it have a time limit?  Maybe the two
could mirror each other, noise is noise.  Maybe someone can explain EXACTLY
what passed by Council vs what will be considered by the Admin Comm. I trust
our police, our current chief and assistant chief, but we may not always
trust all of their predecessors.  That is why there needs to be some kind of
check in play with this ordinance.  Not because of the situation now, but
for the future. 

Mike Curley <curley_33 at hotmail.com> wrote:

Wonderful Sunil, Garrett, Gary.  After you hold hands and sing Kum Bah Ya
for a bit would you work together to fix the proposed ordinance.  I don't
want a hot garage band to be silenced, but then I'd be really happy if a
vehicle as loud as a NASCAR competitor or a 2am party fracas could be shut
down immediately rather than 48 hours later.  You bright fellows will surely
be able to suggest solutions to undo the Draconian parts and allow us all to
remain boisterous but unoffensive.
Happy weekend.
Mike Curley

> From: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:27:28 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oppose Noise Ordinance Modifications
> 
> Amazing. First I agree with something DA wrote yesterday, then I agree
with 
> this from GC.
> 
> Better take my foil hat off next lightning storm.
> 
> Sunil
> 
> 
> >From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> >To: "david sarff" <davesway at hotmail.com>, "Garrett Clevenger" 
> ><garrettmc at verizon.net>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >CC: msolomon at moscow.com, privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oppose Noise Ordinance Modifications
> >Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:12:38 -0700
> >
> >Just so Ms. Ford doesn't have to hurt herself revising her position, I do
> >happen to agree with Mr. Clevenger. The ordinance as proposed strikes me
as
> >arbitrary and not a little draconian. I like my peace and quite as much
as
> >the next fellow but I think that the council will be making a mistake if
> >they pass this over-reaction as proposed. I agree with Mr. C because it
> >"soots my constitution."
> >
> >the other gc
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "david sarff" <davesway at hotmail.com>
> >To: "Garrett Clevenger" <garrettmc at verizon.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Cc: <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>; <msolomon at moscow.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:59 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oppose Noise Ordinance Modifications
> >
> >
> >
> >I note the gc you print at the end of your post, I suspect J was
confusing
> >you with Gary Crabtree.
> >Gary's not a kirker either. He just votes his pocket book and supports
> >property rights in a similar way.
> >Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > > Thanks for the voucher, Mark. J :] sent me an email
> > > a few days ago and I thought he was kidding. Perhaps
> > > he still is?
> > >
> > > Makes you wonder, though, how fanatism creeps in to
> > > someone's head and makes them jump to conclusions
> > > without knowing all the facts.
> > >
> > > I suppose we are all guilty of that from time to time.
> > >
> > > Perhaps knowing this J :] will have a different
> > > perspective on my thoughts on the issue?
> > >
> > > Or perhaps he is content knowing the City Council
> > > wants to empower the police to give anyone in Moscow,
> > > at their discretion, a citation for making a bit of
> > > noise (no specified level) at any time without any
> > > warning and without any civilian complaint.
> > >
> > > Sounds like something the Taliban or Iranian
> > > government would love.
> > >
> > > It also makes me wonder, though, what kind of vision J
> > > :] has of Moscow. Perhaps the Kirkers aren't all
> > > that bad in comparison?
> > >
> > > A little levity folks, badda-bing!
> > >
> > > gc
> > >
> > >
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