[Vision2020] New NO info...

[J Ford]

This is YOUR work, guy.  If I'm "distorting" what YOU have said - how?

I think your "suggestions" are ridiculous and resolve nothing.

The fact that you say you have to use a fan as "white noise" to drown out outside noise speaks volumes regarding a problem obviously in your neighborhood, alone.

Thanks for helping make my point. 

J  :]


> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:50:05 -0800
> From: garrettmc at verizon.net
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New NO info...
> 
> J,
> 
> I suggest you reread my posts, because it seems you
> are confused.  J is distorting things.
> 
> 
> J states:
> 
> "Ok and for those of us who live next to or within a
> very short distance - just over the suggested 100 feet
> - of college kids who REFUSE to acknowledge that there
> are families trying to put their little ones to bed at
> 8pm, and who's "neighbors" play their music/car
> stereos at a high volume (enough to shake windows and
> be heard very clearly in a home) - what do you
> suggest?  That we just bare with it until 10pm? 
> Measure and make sure they are within that distance
> before we call the cops?"
> 
> The law states that if you clearly hear it in your
> home, it doesn't matter how far away you are, those
> offenders are subject to citation.  You don't have to
> "bare with it".
> 
> 
> 
> "I get that YOU don't have an issue with these punks
> but there are those of us who do and are tired of
> dealing with it.  Noise is noise.  Disturbing the
> Peace is still disturbing no matter the distance or
> what others like you (OBVIOUSLY not bothered by rap or
> a heavy bass being played at loud volume) seem to feel
> is acceptable."
> 
> You seem to assume much about me, so let me clarify. 
> I never said I don't have an issue with people who are
> disrespectful.  Noise is subjective, though.  The
> person mowing the lawn next door may irritate me, but
> I'm tolerant enough to put up with it.  I don't think
> it is realistic to expect no "noise" at all times.
> 
> 
> "The bit about waiting for a month is just ridiculous.
>  If this were some car being gunned or some other kind
> of loud, obnoxious noise being perpetrated upon
> neighbors, you don't seem to have a problem with that
> being told to stop.  But you give a punky teen some
> stereo equipment and suddenly things are ok.  Why is
> that?"
> 
> This analogy is ridiculous.  For one thing, you don't
> have to wait a month to complain.  If someone repeats
> their offense (not a violent crime!) within that
> month, they get a ticket.  I never said they shouldn't
> be told to stop if they are disturbing someone. And I
> don't think you should be throwing in non-noise issues
> here.
> 
> 
> "And why is it ok with you to put people in harm's way
> by making them sign a citation against the offender? 
> If you see someone, obviously driving in an erratic
> manner and you report that, do you sign a citation
> against that driver?  No, you don't.  So why put a
> home owner in jeopardy with this NO?  Ask the lady on
> Taylor who's home smells like urine because of what
> she's been through with the college fools!  Or the
> people around Vandal....they had to put up with a YEAR
> of noise and mess because of the current NO which had
> no more teeth than the
> watered-down-from-that-one-version you are purposing."
> 
> We live in a free country, J.  I don't think police
> should be assuming responsibility in deciding what may
> be bothering people at all times.  Driving is not a
> constitutional right, where as free speech and right
> to assembly are First Amendment rights. If someone
> breaks another law in retaliation, that is a separate
> issue.  Creating a mess in not a noise ordinance
> issue.  I feel sorry for people who have problems with
> mean people, but that is not a noise issue.  And I
> don't think fear of retaliation should limit our
> liberties.
> 
> 
> "If a cop is dispatched to a neighborhood where noise
> can clearly be heard any distance away from the
> residence from which it is coming, he/she should be
> able to make out a citation to the offender without
> involving the names and addresses of those who made
> the call reporting the noise."
> 
> This is ridiculous, because everybody would be getting
> a ticket!  It seems to me you would love living in a
> police state.  If that is the case, I can suggest
> plenty of other countries for you to move to.
> 
> 
> "Just don't see why you don't get that."
> 
> I don't "get that" because I have a bit of tolerance
> and you have not clearly understood my words and the
> law.  Obviously we have a different take on things. 
> Why don't you get that our First Amendment rights are
> worth protecting with reasonable laws?  Why are you so
> keen on repressing people's freedom of expression?
> 
> 
> gclev
> 
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