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This is YOUR work, guy. If I'm "distorting" what YOU have said - how?<br><br>I think your "suggestions" are ridiculous and resolve nothing.<br><br>The fact that you say you have to use a fan as "white noise" to drown out outside noise speaks volumes regarding a problem obviously in your neighborhood, alone.<br><br>Thanks for helping make my point. <br><br>J :]<br><br><br>> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:50:05 -0800<br>> From: garrettmc@verizon.net<br>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New NO info...<br>> <br>> J,<br>> <br>> I suggest you reread my posts, because it seems you<br>> are confused. J is distorting things.<br>> <br>> <br>> J states:<br>> <br>> "Ok and for those of us who live next to or within a<br>> very short distance - just over the suggested 100 feet<br>> - of college kids who REFUSE to acknowledge that there<br>> are families trying to put their little ones to bed at<br>> 8pm, and who's "neighbors" play their music/car<br>> stereos at a high volume (enough to shake windows and<br>> be heard very clearly in a home) - what do you<br>> suggest? That we just bare with it until 10pm? <br>> Measure and make sure they are within that distance<br>> before we call the cops?"<br>> <br>> The law states that if you clearly hear it in your<br>> home, it doesn't matter how far away you are, those<br>> offenders are subject to citation. You don't have to<br>> "bare with it".<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> "I get that YOU don't have an issue with these punks<br>> but there are those of us who do and are tired of<br>> dealing with it. Noise is noise. Disturbing the<br>> Peace is still disturbing no matter the distance or<br>> what others like you (OBVIOUSLY not bothered by rap or<br>> a heavy bass being played at loud volume) seem to feel<br>> is acceptable."<br>> <br>> You seem to assume much about me, so let me clarify. <br>> I never said I don't have an issue with people who are<br>> disrespectful. Noise is subjective, though. The<br>> person mowing the lawn next door may irritate me, but<br>> I'm tolerant enough to put up with it. I don't think<br>> it is realistic to expect no "noise" at all times.<br>> <br>> <br>> "The bit about waiting for a month is just ridiculous.<br>> If this were some car being gunned or some other kind<br>> of loud, obnoxious noise being perpetrated upon<br>> neighbors, you don't seem to have a problem with that<br>> being told to stop. But you give a punky teen some<br>> stereo equipment and suddenly things are ok. Why is<br>> that?"<br>> <br>> This analogy is ridiculous. For one thing, you don't<br>> have to wait a month to complain. If someone repeats<br>> their offense (not a violent crime!) within that<br>> month, they get a ticket. I never said they shouldn't<br>> be told to stop if they are disturbing someone. And I<br>> don't think you should be throwing in non-noise issues<br>> here.<br>> <br>> <br>> "And why is it ok with you to put people in harm's way<br>> by making them sign a citation against the offender? <br>> If you see someone, obviously driving in an erratic<br>> manner and you report that, do you sign a citation<br>> against that driver? No, you don't. So why put a<br>> home owner in jeopardy with this NO? Ask the lady on<br>> Taylor who's home smells like urine because of what<br>> she's been through with the college fools! Or the<br>> people around Vandal....they had to put up with a YEAR<br>> of noise and mess because of the current NO which had<br>> no more teeth than the<br>> watered-down-from-that-one-version you are purposing."<br>> <br>> We live in a free country, J. I don't think police<br>> should be assuming responsibility in deciding what may<br>> be bothering people at all times. Driving is not a<br>> constitutional right, where as free speech and right<br>> to assembly are First Amendment rights. If someone<br>> breaks another law in retaliation, that is a separate<br>> issue. Creating a mess in not a noise ordinance<br>> issue. I feel sorry for people who have problems with<br>> mean people, but that is not a noise issue. And I<br>> don't think fear of retaliation should limit our<br>> liberties.<br>> <br>> <br>> "If a cop is dispatched to a neighborhood where noise<br>> can clearly be heard any distance away from the<br>> residence from which it is coming, he/she should be<br>> able to make out a citation to the offender without<br>> involving the names and addresses of those who made<br>> the call reporting the noise."<br>> <br>> This is ridiculous, because everybody would be getting<br>> a ticket! It seems to me you would love living in a<br>> police state. If that is the case, I can suggest<br>> plenty of other countries for you to move to.<br>> <br>> <br>> "Just don't see why you don't get that."<br>> <br>> I don't "get that" because I have a bit of tolerance<br>> and you have not clearly understood my words and the<br>> law. Obviously we have a different take on things. <br>> Why don't you get that our First Amendment rights are<br>> worth protecting with reasonable laws? Why are you so<br>> keen on repressing people's freedom of expression?<br>> <br>> <br>> gclev<br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br><br /><hr />Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. <a href='http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct' target='_new'>Play Now!</a></body>
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