[Vision2020] what he was shooting
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Mon May 21 20:45:19 PDT 2007
It's a balance between freedom and control.
And, as others have said, we can discuss our favorite topics after we've
had some time to come to terms with this.
Paul
J Ford wrote:
> Is anyone going to speak up for the many, many victims of not only
> this man but the others that people such as he who get slaps on the
> wrist for crimes that should be receiving life or at the very least,
> long, long sentences? If the DA/City Attorney in this community would
> do their freaking jobs, this guy would not have been out and or able
> to purchase guns much less able to dent this community like he has.
>
> How long are we going to take this type of sloppy prosecution in this
> community? How many others are going to have to be killed or harmed
> because Randy and Thompson and others like them refuse to do their
> jobs? How many other criminals are going to be given passes by Randy
> and Thompson before we say "ENOUGH! already? How many other cops are
> going to have to die before those who are responsible for your (YES!
> YOUR) protection are called to the carpet for not doing what is in OUR
> best interests?
>
> Sitler is a ticking time bomb....we have just seen what happens when
> that state is allowed to go unchecked and unhindered.
>
> WAKE UP MOSCOW/LATAH!
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> J :]
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>> From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com, theceo at optonline.net,
>> areaman at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] what he was shooting
>> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:53:38 -0700
>>
>> All on the vizz,
>>
>> It has been pointed out, that myself and others should not have this
>> discussion at the time being. That this is a time of mourning. I too
>> feel sorrow for those closely affected, and couldn't give my
>> condolences enough. This is a sorry time for Moscow, a time we can
>> hopefully all come together. Its times like these that I feel proud
>> to be a moscow native, when we all come together. Along with 9/11
>> when the country united.
>>
>> If people feel our topic was uncalled for I am truly apologetic.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>> From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>> To: Frank <theceo at optonline.net>, Dan Carscallen
>>> <areaman at moscow.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] what he was shooting
>>> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:22:05 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>> I truly wish a discussion like this would not take place now. We've
>>> had four people die from gunshot wounds over the weekend, including
>>> a friend of my husband's, and another is in serious condition. To
>>> invite us to picture the damage a bullet can do to a person is
>>> unnecessary, because if we weren't aware before, we surely are now.
>>> More important than the velocity, caliber, and physics of a bullet
>>> fired from a weapon is the fact that one just killed a cop, our
>>> neighbor, who gave his life to protect us. Another silenced a woman
>>> who had suffered before from the hands of her husband, another took
>>> away from us a dear, sweet man, and, finally here, one ended the
>>> horror of a life none of us will ever understand. There will always
>>> be much to discuss when it comes to guns and people, but for right
>>> now, couldn't we focus on never, ever, forgetting a time when the
>>> equation visited us in Moscow and changed forever the relative
>>> innocence and calm of our community, taking with it four of our
>>> neighbors and injuring two more? We have families in mourning, a
>>> church shattered by loss, kids trying to understand, and a community
>>> in shock. Blood was shed and two lives were ended at the church my
>>> family and I attend. I don't care about the caliber and power of
>>> the bullet; I care about appreciating the caliber of men and women
>>> we have in uniform and witnessing the power of something much, much
>>> greater than hot metal ripping through a chamber.keely> From:
>>> theceo at optonline.net> To: areaman at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:11:06 -0400> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
>>> shooter identity . . . And what he was shooting> > As an expert I
>>> can speak to this and you're still wrong. The Russian version> AK-47
>>> is most likely the best weapon in the world today. The US Army gave
>>> up> the M1 Grande which used the 308 round to go to the M14 in about
>>> 1962 which> used the 7.62x39 round. The difference is the 7.62x39 is
>>> a high velocity> round. If you shoot a 308 round through a 55 gal
>>> barrel of water it just> punches through to the other side. Then if
>>> you take a 7.62x39 round and> shoot it at the barrel and it
>>> explodes. The speed is so fast that hydraulics> come into play. You
>>> can't compress water so the force blows up the barrel> before it can
>>> exit the other side. Now think what that does to a person who> is 90
>>> percent water? The round does a lot of damage before it exits the>
>>> body. That is still the round our army uses today. Now which one do
>>> you> think has the power and inflicts the most damage? In Nam the
>>> Russian AK 47> used a 6.2x54 round. If the communist fighter ran out
>>> of ammunition he could> find a dead GI and take his ammunition and
>>> use it in his rifle because the> x39 was smaller than the x54 and
>>> would chamber. However it would not work> the other way because the
>>> x54 was too big to chamber in a M16. If you are> really this
>>> interested in guns you should go see your army recruiter he can>
>>> sign you up for a fore year course.> > THECEO> > -----Original
>>> Message-----> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On> Behalf Of Dan Carscallen>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:12 PM> To: vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] shooter identity . . . And what he was
>>> shooting> > Vizzz peeps,> > After watching the press conference,
>>> some of the events of Saturday> night/Sunday morning have become
>>> more clear.> > With the initial reports of the shooter using an SKS
>>> in the incident, I> was a little confused and concerned as to how it
>>> was done, as the> 7.62x39mm cartridge used in that rifle did not
>>> seem powerful enough to> have done some of the damage that was said
>>> to be inflicted. Now, after> hearing that the shooter also had an
>>> M1A, which is a .308 caliber (a> popular hunting caliber), I can
>>> understand a little better since this is> a significantly more
>>> powerful round than the 7.62X39 by almost 1/3.> This would also
>>> explain a bit more the difference in sound between the> shots fired
>>> earlier and those fired later.> > Of course, neither of these
>>> calibers could be stopped by a "bulletproof"> vest.> > I'm sure Tom
>>> Hansen can speak to this, as he's probably had some> experience with
>>> the M14 (the military version of the M1A) and maybe even> some time
>>> with an AK47 during his time in Germany.> > DC> > >
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