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It's a balance between freedom and control. <br>
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And, as others have said, we can discuss our favorite topics after
we've had some time to come to terms with this.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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J Ford wrote:
<blockquote cite="midBAY105-F296294DDFFBAD6BF088733AF360@phx.gbl"
type="cite">Is anyone going to speak up for the many, many victims of
not only this man but the others that people such as he who get slaps
on the wrist for crimes that should be receiving life or at the very
least, long, long sentences? If the DA/City Attorney in this community
would do their freaking jobs, this guy would not have been out and or
able to purchase guns much less able to dent this community like he
has.
<br>
<br>
How long are we going to take this type of sloppy prosecution in this
community? How many others are going to have to be killed or harmed
because Randy and Thompson and others like them refuse to do their
jobs? How many other criminals are going to be given passes by Randy
and Thompson before we say "ENOUGH! already? How many other cops are
going to have to die before those who are responsible for your (YES!
YOUR) protection are called to the carpet for not doing what is in OUR
best interests?
<br>
<br>
Sitler is a ticking time bomb....we have just seen what happens when
that state is allowed to go unchecked and unhindered.
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WAKE UP MOSCOW/LATAH!
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J :]
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<blockquote type="cite">From: "Matt Decker"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"><mattd2107@hotmail.com></a>
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To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:theceo@optonline.net">theceo@optonline.net</a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] what he was shooting
<br>
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:53:38 -0700
<br>
<br>
All on the vizz,
<br>
<br>
It has been pointed out, that myself and others should not have this
discussion at the time being. That this is a time of mourning. I too
feel sorrow for those closely affected, and couldn't give my
condolences enough. This is a sorry time for Moscow, a time we can
hopefully all come together. Its times like these that I feel proud to
be a moscow native, when we all come together. Along with 9/11 when the
country united.
<br>
<br>
If people feel our topic was uncalled for I am truly apologetic.
<br>
<br>
Matt
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<blockquote type="cite">From: keely emerinemix
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><kjajmix1@msn.com></a>
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To: Frank <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:theceo@optonline.net"><theceo@optonline.net></a>, Dan Carscallen
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com"><areaman@moscow.com></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></a>
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] what he was shooting
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:22:05 -0700
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<br>
<br>
I truly wish a discussion like this would not take place now. We've
had four people die from gunshot wounds over the weekend, including a
friend of my husband's, and another is in serious condition. To
invite us to picture the damage a bullet can do to a person is
unnecessary, because if we weren't aware before, we surely are now.
More important than the velocity, caliber, and physics of a bullet
fired from a weapon is the fact that one just killed a cop, our
neighbor, who gave his life to protect us. Another silenced a woman
who had suffered before from the hands of her husband, another took
away from us a dear, sweet man, and, finally here, one ended the horror
of a life none of us will ever understand. There will always be much
to discuss when it comes to guns and people, but for right now,
couldn't we focus on never, ever, forgetting a time when the equation
visited us in Moscow and changed forever the relative innocence and
calm of our community, taking with it four of our neighbors and
injuring two more? We have families in mourning, a church shattered by
loss, kids trying to understand, and a community in shock. Blood was
shed and two lives were ended at the church my family and I attend. I
don't care about the caliber and power of the bullet; I care about
appreciating the caliber of men and women we have in uniform and
witnessing the power of something much, much greater than hot metal
ripping through a chamber.keely> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:theceo@optonline.net">theceo@optonline.net</a>> To:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007
13:11:06 -0400> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] shooter identity . . . And
what he was shooting> > As an expert I can speak to this and
you're still wrong. The Russian version> AK-47 is most likely the
best weapon in the world today. The US Army gave up> the M1 Grande
which used the 308 round to go to the M14 in about 1962 which> used
the 7.62x39 round. The difference is the 7.62x39 is a high velocity>
round. If you shoot a 308 round through a 55 gal barrel of water it
just> punches through to the other side. Then if you take a 7.62x39
round and> shoot it at the barrel and it explodes. The speed is so
fast that hydraulics> come into play. You can't compress water so
the force blows up the barrel> before it can exit the other side.
Now think what that does to a person who> is 90 percent water? The
round does a lot of damage before it exits the> body. That is still
the round our army uses today. Now which one do you> think has the
power and inflicts the most damage? In Nam the Russian AK 47> used
a 6.2x54 round. If the communist fighter ran out of ammunition he
could> find a dead GI and take his ammunition and use it in his
rifle because the> x39 was smaller than the x54 and would chamber.
However it would not work> the other way because the x54 was too big
to chamber in a M16. If you are> really this interested in guns you
should go see your army recruiter he can> sign you up for a fore
year course.> > THECEO> > -----Original Message----->
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]On> Behalf Of Dan
Carscallen> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:12 PM> To:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] shooter identity .
. . And what he was shooting> > Vizzz peeps,> > After
watching the press conference, some of the events of Saturday>
night/Sunday morning have become more clear.> > With the initial
reports of the shooter using an SKS in the incident, I> was a little
confused and concerned as to how it was done, as the> 7.62x39mm
cartridge used in that rifle did not seem powerful enough to> have
done some of the damage that was said to be inflicted. Now, after>
hearing that the shooter also had an M1A, which is a .308 caliber
(a> popular hunting caliber), I can understand a little better since
this is> a significantly more powerful round than the 7.62X39 by
almost 1/3.> This would also explain a bit more the difference in
sound between the> shots fired earlier and those fired later.>
> Of course, neither of these calibers could be stopped by a
"bulletproof"> vest.> > I'm sure Tom Hansen can speak to this,
as he's probably had some> experience with the M14 (the military
version of the M1A) and maybe even> some time with an AK47 during
his time in Germany.> > DC> > >
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