[Vision2020] what he was shooting

J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Mon May 21 19:59:02 PDT 2007

Is anyone going to speak up for the many, many victims of not only this man 
but the others that people such as he who get slaps on the wrist for crimes 
that should be receiving life or at the very least, long, long sentences?  
If the DA/City Attorney in this community would do their freaking jobs, this 
guy would not have been out and or able to purchase guns much less able to 
dent this community like he has.

How long are we going to take this type of sloppy prosecution in this 
community?  How many others are going to have to be killed or harmed because 
Randy and Thompson and others like them refuse to do their jobs?  How many 
other criminals are going to be given passes by Randy and Thompson before we 
say "ENOUGH! already?  How many other cops are going to have to die before 
those who are responsible for your (YES! YOUR) protection are called to the 
carpet for not doing what is in OUR best interests?

Sitler is a ticking time bomb....we have just seen what happens when that 
state is allowed to go unchecked and unhindered.


J  :]

>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>To: kjajmix1 at msn.com, theceo at optonline.net, areaman at moscow.com,        
>vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] what he was shooting
>Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:53:38 -0700
>All on the vizz,
>It has been pointed out, that myself and others should not have this 
>discussion at the time being. That this is a time of mourning. I too feel 
>sorrow for those closely affected, and couldn't give my condolences enough. 
>This is a sorry time for Moscow, a time we can hopefully all come together. 
>Its times like these that I feel proud to be a moscow native, when we all 
>come together. Along with 9/11 when the country united.
>If people feel our topic was uncalled for I am truly apologetic.
>>From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>To: Frank <theceo at optonline.net>, Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com>,     
>>    <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] what he was shooting
>>Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:22:05 -0700
>>I truly wish a discussion like this would not take place now.  We've had 
>>four people die from gunshot wounds over the weekend, including a friend 
>>of my husband's,  and another is in serious condition.  To invite us to 
>>picture the damage a bullet can do to a person is unnecessary, because if 
>>we weren't aware before, we surely are now.  More important than the 
>>velocity, caliber, and physics of a bullet fired from a weapon is the fact 
>>that one just killed a cop, our neighbor, who gave his life to protect us. 
>>  Another silenced a woman who had suffered before from the hands of her 
>>husband, another took away from us a dear, sweet man, and, finally here, 
>>one ended the horror of a life none of us will ever understand.  There 
>>will always be much to discuss when it comes to guns and people, but for 
>>right now, couldn't we focus on never, ever, forgetting a time when the 
>>equation visited us in Moscow and changed forever the relative innocence 
>>and calm of our community, taking with it four of our neighbors and 
>>injuring two more?  We have families in mourning, a church shattered by 
>>loss, kids trying to understand, and a community in shock.  Blood was shed 
>>and two lives were ended at the church my family and I attend.  I don't 
>>care about the caliber and power of the bullet; I care about appreciating 
>>the caliber of men and women we have in uniform and witnessing the power 
>>of something much, much greater than hot metal ripping through a 
>>chamber.keely> From: theceo at optonline.net> To: areaman at moscow.com; 
>>vision2020 at moscow.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:11:06 -0400> Subject: Re: 
>>[Vision2020] shooter identity . . . And what he was shooting> > As an 
>>expert I can speak to this and you're still wrong. The Russian version> 
>>AK-47 is most likely the best weapon in the world today. The US Army gave 
>>up> the M1 Grande which used the 308 round to go to the M14 in about 1962 
>>which> used the 7.62x39 round. The difference is the 7.62x39 is a high 
>>velocity> round. If you shoot a 308 round through a 55 gal barrel of water 
>>it just> punches through to the other side. Then if you take a 7.62x39 
>>round and> shoot it at the barrel and it explodes. The speed is so fast 
>>that hydraulics> come into play. You can't compress water so the force 
>>blows up the barrel> before it can exit the other side. Now think what 
>>that does to a person who> is 90 percent water?  The round does a lot of 
>>damage before it exits the> body.  That is still the round our army uses 
>>today. Now which one do you> think has the power and inflicts the most 
>>damage?  In Nam the Russian AK 47> used a 6.2x54 round. If the communist 
>>fighter ran out of ammunition he could> find a dead GI and take his 
>>ammunition and use it in his rifle because the> x39 was smaller than the 
>>x54 and would chamber. However it would not work> the other way because 
>>the x54 was too big to chamber in a M16. If you are> really this 
>>interested in guns you should go see your army recruiter he can> sign you 
>>up for a fore year course.> > THECEO> > -----Original Message-----> From: 
>>vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On> 
>>Behalf Of Dan Carscallen> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:12 PM> To: 
>>vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] shooter identity . . . 
>>And what he was shooting> > Vizzz peeps,> > After watching the press 
>>conference, some of the events of Saturday> night/Sunday morning have 
>>become more clear.> > With the initial reports of the shooter using an SKS 
>>in the incident, I> was a little confused and concerned as to how it was 
>>done, as the> 7.62x39mm cartridge used in that rifle did not seem powerful 
>>enough to> have done some of the damage that was said to be inflicted.  
>>Now, after> hearing that the shooter also had an M1A, which is a .308 
>>caliber (a> popular hunting caliber), I can understand a little better 
>>since this is> a significantly more powerful round than the 7.62X39 by 
>>almost 1/3.> This would also explain a bit more the difference in sound 
>>between the> shots fired earlier and those fired later.> > Of course, 
>>neither of these calibers could be stopped by a "bulletproof"> vest.> > 
>>I'm sure Tom Hansen can speak to this, as he's probably had some> 
>>experience with the M14 (the military version of the M1A) and maybe even> 
>>some time with an AK47 during his time in Germany.> > DC> > > 
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